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    I like how conservatives insist on a meticulous approach to stimulus relief targeted at the middle class and are quick to find a flaw, but they’re all for a broad sweeping tax cut for people who don’t need it at all that adds trillions of dollars to the National debt.

    They have zero moral high ground on fiscal responsibility after the sandwich that was Trump’s 2017 tax bill.
    yeah, CC emulated concern for the needy, called me a poor and disappeared in a hurry.

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    The problem is not demand.

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    What exactly does it accomplish giving a couple still fully employed $4000?. I totally get making the unemployed 100% whole as long as it takes.
    Hours has been cut everywhere. It’s not meant to be a salvation (even though it will be for some part time employees), but relief. Under your premise aid is completely unnecessary, but actual numbers bear that a lot of people are legit hurting.

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    Pretty sure the guy who’s relying on food banks and an eviction moratorium to stay afloat isn’t generating the consumer demand he generated 1 year ago but I could be wrong. The real issue might be that we need more stock buybacks!

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    Pretty sure the guy who’s relying on food banks and an eviction moratorium to stay afloat isn’t generating the consumer demand he generated 1 year ago but I could be wrong. The real issue might be that we need more stock buybacks!
    Well, just ask airlines how’s the demand (an industry that did get a government handout to stay alive).

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    Well, just ask airlines how’s the demand (an industry that did get a government handout to stay alive).
    Or concert venues, or restaurants, or movie theatres, or cruise lines, or dry cleaners, etc.

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    I like how conservatives insist on a meticulous approach to stimulus relief targeted at the middle class and are quick to find a flaw, but they’re all for a broad sweeping tax cut for people who don’t need it at all that adds trillions of dollars to the National debt.

    They have zero moral high ground on fiscal responsibility after the sandwich that was Trump’s 2017 tax bill.
    All these complaints about checks for the dirty poors but no one gives a the airlines get $25 billion when they didn't do a god damn thing other than stock buybacks with their ten years of prosperity. Conservative economic law #1 is everything has to be filtered through the rich first.

    EDIT: It was $16 billion to the airlines this time around.
    Last edited by baseline bum; 12-31-2020 at 07:42 PM.

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    yeah, CC emulated concern for the needy, called me a poor and disappeared in a hurry.
    Sorry you felt neglected. Playing mexican train dominos with a 4 year old.

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    Sorry you felt neglected. Playing mexican train dominos with a 4 year old.
    Have fun!

    I'd love to hear your plan to make everyone hurt by COVID 100% whole whenever you have a chance.

    Your hypothesis that there's no demand problem is also intriguing, I'd like to hear more about that too.

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    Have fun!

    I'd love to hear your plan to make everyone hurt by COVID 100% whole whenever you have a chance.

    Your hypothesis that there's no demand problem is also intriguing, I'd like to hear more about that too.
    Sure there is demand.

    I'd love to go to a great restaurant.

    See a movie.

    Fly to LA, Hawaii, Cabo, Costa rica etc.

    I'm not the only one.

    The issue is safe supply.
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    Sure there is demand.

    I'd love to go to a great restaurant.

    See a movie.

    Fly to LA, Hawaii, Cabo, Costa rica etc.

    I'm not the only one.

    The issue is safe supply.
    Beg pardon, you ain't exactly the working class.

    You also might want to tell the tens of thousands of businesses that closed their doors forever this year that demand isn't a problem, I bet a few of em will be surprised to hear it.

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    Give rich people a tax holiday so they have more wealth that can trickle down and make those who are struggling whole!

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    Beg pardon, you ain't exactly the working class.

    You also might want to tell the tens of thousands of businesses that closed their doors forever this year that demand isn't a problem, I bet a few of em will be surprised to hear it.
    You are being dense.

    Covid has killed them. People want their "old" life. The demand is there but covid scares them off.

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    Sure there is demand.

    I'd love to go to a great restaurant.

    See a movie.

    Fly to LA, Hawaii, Cabo, Costa rica etc.

    I'm not the only one.

    The issue is safe supply.
    I know you’re a greedy narcissist asshole, but my god this is incredible.

    Global pandemic, millions in financial crisis, people going hungry, but CosmicCowboy’s empty beach house in Cabo is the real tragedy

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    “Why do these peasants want MORE crumbs? They have a plate of crumbs already! Just give crumbs to the peasants with no crumbs and then all the peasants have some crumbs! We all win!”

    -CosmicCowboy while stuffing his face with cake

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    I know you’re a greedy narcissist asshole, but my god this is incredible.

    Global pandemic, millions in financial crisis, people going hungry, but CosmicCowboy’s empty beach house in Cabo is the real tragedy
    you. It was an example.

    Me and hundreds of millions more that have changed our life pattern to be safe are the reason those service jobs have been lost. I have explicitly said we should ne 100% supporting those people until we get the pandemic under control.

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    You are being dense.

    Covid has killed them. People want their "old" life. The demand is there but covid scares them off.
    You're speaking colloquially.

    If people aren't spending or can't spend because they lost their income, the demand is missing.

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    You are being dense.

    Covid has killed them. People want their "old" life. The demand is there but covid scares them off.
    So much that the demand isn't actually there.

    The problem is the supply of demand.

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    It's a multi-tiered bailout.

    The corporate/financial sector bailout is still effective, the citizen sector bailout is delinked and moribund.

    Assets>People


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    You are being dense.

    Covid has killed them. People want their "old" life. The demand is there but covid scares them off.
    That means that covid has diminished to demand. Your right to say that without covid demand would increase but semantics doesn't change the fact that consumer spending is way way down.

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    you. It was an example.

    Me and hundreds of millions more that have changed our life pattern to be safe are the reason those service jobs have been lost. I have explicitly said we should ne 100% supporting those people until we get the pandemic under control.
    Your dealing with people that are pissed off as people who may or may not actually be conservative post constantly.

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    It's a multi-tiered bailout.

    The corporate/financial sector bailout is still effective, the citizen sector bailout is delinked and moribund.

    Assets>People

    It seems that our corporate overlords understand that while we can deficit spend, we can only do so much of it over time. They are trying to keep it all for themselves.

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    conservative deficit hawks reaction when the tax cuts they supported get brought up:

    Last edited by Will Hunting; 01-01-2021 at 09:23 AM.

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    "the citizen sector bailout is delinked and moribund."

    Abbott is sitting on $2B of CARES funds. TX food banks in crisis

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