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    He's still there. His name is tholdren now.
    Nah. Very different posting styles. Different flavors of crazy

    he is RMT though tbh

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    Sometimes people believe they're doing a righteous thing, but it ends up backfiring spectacularly. I can think of a few very recent examples.

    Good luck with your cancellations.
    Free speech allows me to doxx you, give everyone your address, claim you kill babies, and organize an angry mob on how to kill you. All online.

    No limitations on the first amendment.... so cool.
    Too bad the guy you voted for had to test the extremes of the 1st amendment through social media platforms because you know the blue team has huge concerns about this as well. Big tech, big anything is always on the blue table to discuss.

    So thanks to the orange fool and his worshipping die hards for screwing around with this. In any group setting in which people have to work together there will be rules and etiquette. The man you voted for decided to use division and disruption to run a country of 350 million people. Thanks for the Worst 4 years. And good going on bringing some of the most ignorant, unstable, selfish people in the country to the capitol for a tour.

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    Repugs and fascists don't want the government to regulate Twitter, but now that Twitter is regulating them, they cry foul and claim Twitter is the new public square and must be regulated fairly by the government.


    wat

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    Dems aren't silent. I see them talking on twitter and facebook. Are you banned from those or something?
    you are correct, Dems are not silent. Conservatives are, because they are silenced.....banned, demonetized, etc. You can call stupid or whatever you want. The facts are there. If you do not bow down and kiss the leftists asses, you do not have a right to speak. Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Google, etc are all leftist driven media platforms.

    We had Parler, but now that is being taken away. Pretty soon OAN, the Blaze, and others like it will be shut down too. Any diversity of thought will not be allowed.

    You and the many others on here seem complicit with this notion.

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    you are correct, Dems are not silent. Conservatives are, because they are silenced.....banned, demonetized, etc. You can call stupid or whatever you want. The facts are there. If you do not bow down and kiss the leftists asses, you do not have a right to speak. Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Google, etc are all leftist driven media platforms.

    We had Parler, but now that is being taken away. Pretty soon OAN, the Blaze, and others like it will be shut down too. Any diversity of thought will not be allowed.

    You and the many others on here seem complicit with this notion.
    Wrong. Fascists, bots, and people who RT hateful have been purged. There are plenty of conservatives on Twitter ing about it at the very moment.

    Also let's talk about all the Occupy pages that were silenced in 2018. No? oh ok

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    Also LOL at the notion that OAN has diversity of thought.

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    conservatives want to be victims so badly, it’s pathetic.

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    Conservatives are always the victims, bunch of little EMO gots. Why won't twitter and amazon let us organize more coups? So much for the tolerant left

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    at conservatives whining over Twitter and tiktok like some teenage girls

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    you are correct, Dems are not silent. Conservatives are, because they are silenced.....banned, demonetized, etc. You can call stupid or whatever you want. The facts are there. If you do not bow down and kiss the leftists asses, you do not have a right to speak. Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Google, etc are all leftist driven media platforms.

    We had Parler, but now that is being taken away. Pretty soon OAN, the Blaze, and others like it will be shut down too. Any diversity of thought will not be allowed.

    You and the many others on here seem complicit with this notion.
    You shouldn't have tried to overthrow the government of the United States of America.

    Now come the consequences.

    You said you're for personal responsibility. Here it is.
    Last edited by ChumpDumper; 01-10-2021 at 11:49 AM.

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    at conservatives whining over Twitter and tiktok like some teenage girls
    from the party of “ YOUR FEELINGS!” to the party of I NEED MUH TWITTER

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    Too bad the guy you voted for had to test the extremes of the 1st amendment through social media platforms because you know the blue team has huge concerns about this as well. Big tech, big anything is always on the blue table to discuss.

    So thanks to the orange fool and his worshipping die hards for screwing around with this. In any group setting in which people have to work together there will be rules and etiquette. The man you voted for decided to use division and disruption to run a country of 350 million people. Thanks for the Worst 4 years. And good going on bringing some of the most ignorant, unstable, selfish people in the country to the capitol for a tour.
    Obama was extremely divisive. The mainstream media is extremely divisive. Trump was not all that divisive. He is quite politically incorrect, egotistical, and quite vain, though. Trump didn't incite all the crap over the last 4 years......people like Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer, AOC, and Waters did, along with the main stream media, BLM and Antifa did. Obama locks kids in cages, but Trump gets blamed for it. Trump wants to build the wall and have immigration reform, the same thing Dems voted for in the past but never followed through with, and he gets called a racist. Trump puts up a travel ban from a handful of countries, and he is called a racist, even though several other Muslim countries were not on the ban. Trump in a Russian asset, even though he has been tough on Russia, while Obama was on video making handshake and wink deals with the Ruskies. Our economy was booming, not just rich people or white people, but across the board we were positively impacted. Our military was refurbished. The VA was upgraded. We had historic peace talks in the Middle East, with 4 Muslim countries signing deals with Israel. Trump was the first US President to meet with the leader of N Korea, and also the first to ever step foot into their country. He got NATO to start paying up. He got us out of the stupid Climate Accords that only a handful of nations were even following, and we were having to foot most of the bill. We had zero wars started under the Trump years. For such a hate monger, the second coming of Hitler was horrible at getting us into foreign entanglements.

    Yes, he says some outrageous things, even pisses people off, who have thin skin. But he did a lot of great things as President. It is too bad Congress spent most of its time trying to make him look bad, instead of actually passing positive legislation for the country. I include all of Congress in this, not just Dems. Remember, Trump had both houses for the first two years, and they did diddly squat to work with him.

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    Stopped reading at "Trump was not all that divisive".

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    You shouldn't have tried to overthrow the government if the United States of America.

    Now come the consequences.

    You said you're for personal responsibility. Here it is.
    no one is trying to overthrow the government, at least not Conservatives. We want to lawmakers in Washington to simply abide by the Cons ution, and they are finding ways to work around it.

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    Some people are going to drink the kool-aid no matter what. There's no point in even trying to reason with them.

    Lmao "Trump wasn't all that divisive.


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    Stopped reading at "Trump was not all that divisive".
    well you were conditioned to think he was.....by every media outlet out there, even Fox News.

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    well you were conditioned to think he was.....by every media outlet out there, even Fox News.
    Yes because you haven't been conditioned at all to believe Trump isn't divisive.

    You are literally denying reality. You live in a topsy turvy twilight zone alternate reality, and it's sad tbh.

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    Obama was extremely divisive. The mainstream media is extremely divisive. Trump was not all that divisive. He is quite politically incorrect, egotistical, and quite vain, though. Trump didn't incite all the crap over the last 4 years......people like Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer, AOC, and Waters did, along with the main stream media, BLM and Antifa did. Obama locks kids in cages, but Trump gets blamed for it. Trump wants to build the wall and have immigration reform, the same thing Dems voted for in the past but never followed through with, and he gets called a racist. Trump puts up a travel ban from a handful of countries, and he is called a racist, even though several other Muslim countries were not on the ban. Trump in a Russian asset, even though he has been tough on Russia, while Obama was on video making handshake and wink deals with the Ruskies. Our economy was booming, not just rich people or white people, but across the board we were positively impacted. Our military was refurbished. The VA was upgraded. We had historic peace talks in the Middle East, with 4 Muslim countries signing deals with Israel. Trump was the first US President to meet with the leader of N Korea, and also the first to ever step foot into their country. He got NATO to start paying up. He got us out of the stupid Climate Accords that only a handful of nations were even following, and we were having to foot most of the bill. We had zero wars started under the Trump years. For such a hate monger, the second coming of Hitler was horrible at getting us into foreign entanglements.

    Yes, he says some outrageous things, even pisses people off, who have thin skin. But he did a lot of great things as President. It is too bad Congress spent most of its time trying to make him look bad, instead of actually passing positive legislation for the country. I include all of Congress in this, not just Dems. Remember, Trump had both houses for the first two years, and they did diddly squat to work with him.
    Black President was divisive to you because he threatened your privilege by existing.

    Trump is divisive because he tried to overthrow the government of the United States of America among other things.

    You shouldn't support someone who tries to overthrow the government of the United States of America. I can't believe you need to be told that.

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    raving about peace deals between Israel and countries it was never at war with.

    why won’t the media give Trump credit for the ceasefire agreement between Israel and Bahrain!?!?! It ensured peace between countries that were never at war!”

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    no one is trying to overthrow the government, at least not Conservatives. We want to lawmakers in Washington to simply abide by the Cons ution, and they are finding ways to work around it.
    No. According to the Cons ution, you lost.

    I know it hurts you because you are living vicariously through Trump, but why should anyone care about your tender feelings now? All you've done is ruin this country and kill probably twice as many people than should be dead from the pandemic. There is no reason you should ever get another chance to further ruin this nation.

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    no one is trying to overthrow the government, at least not Conservatives.
    Did you just wake up from a coma?


    Last edited by Monostradamus; 01-10-2021 at 12:01 PM.

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    Trump lost fair and square. He lost under the same rules he won under in 2016, Biggems.

    Biden Prez.

    Not Trump.

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    Obama was extremely divisive. The mainstream media is extremely divisive. Trump was not all that divisive. He is quite politically incorrect, egotistical, and quite vain, though. Trump didn't incite all the crap over the last 4 years......people like Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer, AOC, and Waters did, along with the main stream media, BLM and Antifa did. Obama locks kids in cages, but Trump gets blamed for it. Trump wants to build the wall and have immigration reform, the same thing Dems voted for in the past but never followed through with, and he gets called a racist. Trump puts up a travel ban from a handful of countries, and he is called a racist, even though several other Muslim countries were not on the ban. Trump in a Russian asset, even though he has been tough on Russia, while Obama was on video making handshake and wink deals with the Ruskies. Our economy was booming, not just rich people or white people, but across the board we were positively impacted. Our military was refurbished. The VA was upgraded. We had historic peace talks in the Middle East, with 4 Muslim countries signing deals with Israel. Trump was the first US President to meet with the leader of N Korea, and also the first to ever step foot into their country. He got NATO to start paying up. He got us out of the stupid Climate Accords that only a handful of nations were even following, and we were having to foot most of the bill. We had zero wars started under the Trump years. For such a hate monger, the second coming of Hitler was horrible at getting us into foreign entanglements.

    Yes, he says some outrageous things, even pisses people off, who have thin skin. But he did a lot of great things as President. It is too bad Congress spent most of its time trying to make him look bad, instead of actually passing positive legislation for the country. I include all of Congress in this, not just Dems. Remember, Trump had both houses for the first two years, and they did diddly squat to work with him.
    but, but, but... Its the other guys fault! Obama divisive... sure thing, he could not change that skin color.

    Just take the blame like the responsible person you wish to be.
    You voted for the worst president (in the context of our modern times) ever.
    Thats what you did, and thats what you continue to do.

    You are a shameful example of what you consider responsible.
    Hopefully you tell your grandchildren how wrong you were.
    Own it. For them.

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    There was a first amendment argument to be made about Twitter or other social media being limited public forums. None of the “free speech champions” here apparently took time to do all of five minutes of internet research.

    Had they, they’d have seen this little case that came out of SCOTUS in 2019:

    As I wrote in my post about it, this seemed like a stretch as well, since the state's role in creating MNN was a key factor here, and that was not at all true with social media platforms. I also thought that the Supreme Court would likely rule narrowly and avoid the issue of social media platforms altogether -- though, given the political climate, I feared that the Supreme Court would say something stupid on this and create a new mess. Instead, the ruling, which came out earlier this week, went in the opposite direction. While the ruling itself doesn't directly apply to social media, the Supreme Court actually reversed the 2nd Circuit ruling that declared MNN a public forum, and very strongly hinted that it's ridiculous to think social media platforms could be considered public forums. And, for all the so-called "conservatives" who have been the most vocal in promoting the theory that social media sites are public fora governed by the 1st Amendment, it might surprise them to find that it was the so-called "conservative Justices" who decided this one, with Kavanaugh writing the opinion, joined by Roberts, Thomas, Alito and Gorsuch -- and Sotomayor writing the dissent, joined by Ginsburg, Breyer and Kagan.

    Indeed, hysterically, it appears that a key argument made by the majority to argue against a finding of a public forum is one from one of the "conservatives" currently suing a platform. Stay tuned for that tidbit. But first, the decision itself. I was wrong in expecting the court to uphold the 2nd Circuit's ruling (and my fear was that they would apply it in a way that was too broad). But Kavanaugh and the majority make it clear that they see public forum doctrine to be very, very, very limited. And it doesn't apply to a public access TV network, even one created by the state.
    Under the state-action doctrine as it has been articulated and applied by our precedents, we conclude that operation of public access channels on a cable system is not a traditional, exclusive public function. Moreover, a private en y such as MNN who opens its property for speech by others is not transformed by that fact alone into a state actor. In operating the public access channels, MNN is a private actor, not a state actor, and MNN therefore is not subject to First Amendment constraints on its editorial discretion.

    The key to Kavanaugh's ruling is that to make a private en y a public forum, it needs to take over "powers traditionally exclusively reserved to the State." The "exclusively" part is what the majority focuses on.
    It is not enough that the federal, state, or local government exercised the function in the past, or still does. And it is not enough that the function serves the public good or the public interest in some way. Rather, to qualify as a traditional, exclusive public function within the meaning of our state-action precedents, the government must have traditionally and exclusively performed the function.

    The Court has stressed that “very few” functions fall into that category.... Under the Court’s cases, those functions include, for example, running elections and operating a company town.... The Court has ruled that a variety of functions do not fall into that category, including, for example: running sports associations and leagues, administering insurance payments, operating nursing homes, providing special education, representing indigent criminal defendants, resolving private disputes, and supplying electricity.
    And, the majority says, running a TV station also does not qualify.
    The relevant function in this case is operation of public access channels on a cable system. That function has not traditionally and exclusively been performed by government.

    And that's pretty much the ballgame for those arguing for a public forum designation even for this public access channel created by the state. However, Kavanaugh does go further in highlighting why it would be ludicrous to argue that social media sites, for example, would qualify and be subject to the 1st Amendment. As the opinion notes, just hosting a forum for speech does not magically turn you into a government actor hosting a "public forum." And then Kavanaugh goes even further, directly saying that a private en y can moderate all they'd like:
    By contrast, when a private en y provides a forum for speech, the private en y is not ordinarily constrained by the First Amendment because the private en y is not a state actor. The private en y may thus exercise editorial discretion over the speech and speakers in the forum. This Court so ruled in its 1976 decision in Hudgens v. NLRB. There, the Court held that a shopping center owner is not a state actor subject to First Amendment requirements such as the public forum doctrine....

    The Hudgens decision reflects a commonsense principle: Providing some kind of forum for speech is not an activity that only governmental en ies have traditionally performed. Therefore, a private en y who provides a forum for speech is not transformed by that fact alone into a state actor. After all, private property owners and private lessees often open their property for speech. Grocery stores put up community bulletin boards. Comedy clubs host open mic nights. As Judge Jacobs persuasively explained, it “is not at all a near-exclusive function of the state to provide the forums for public expression, politics, information, or entertainment.”
    And just to drive the point home:

    In short, merely hosting speech by others is not a traditional, exclusive public function and does not alone transform private en ies into state actors subject to First Amendment constraints.

    If the rule were otherwise, all private property owners and private lessees who open their property for speech would be subject to First Amendment constraints and would lose the ability to exercise what they deem to be appropriate editorial discretion within that open forum. Private property owners and private lessees would face the unappetizing choice of allowing all comers or closing the platform altogether. “The Cons ution by no means requires such an attenuated doctrine of dedication of private property to public use.” ... Benjamin Franklin did not have to operate his newspaper as “a stagecoach, with seats for everyone.” ... That principle still holds true. As the Court said in Hudgens, to hold that private property owners providing a forum for speech are constrained by the First Amendment would be “to create a court-made law wholly disregarding the cons utional basis on which private ownership of property rests in this country.” ... The Cons ution does not disable private property owners and private lessees from exercising editorial discretion over speech and speakers on their property

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    Also LOL at the notion that OAN has diversity of thought.
    it does explain why he’s frightened and an idiot, though

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