Preference Cascade

[ElNono]

Some good points but OP lost me a bit at "vast majority believed...but kept it to themselves"

There's no way you can know this, so it's quite likely you're assuming it based on wishcasting and thus claiming it to be true. It's just as likely (probably even more so) that the vast majority of Republican voters aren't even in tune with what's going on post election other than "Biden sucks" and "gas prices suck". The rhetoric around here seems more ratcheted up than it was when Trump was in office, nary a word about the current administration though.

First years are usually pretty slow, tbh... plus the fact that we don't have a POTUS trolling and rage tweeting at 2 AM is welcome...

[ElNono]

Though I think the Israel thing will put this administration front and center, and it could be ugly

[ChumpDumper]

You can't afford gas?

How are you going to drive to Poland?

[Trainwreck2100]

I don’t think what’s going on with the GOP has anything to do with a personality cult of Trump per se. He’s just the first in bent who was willing to try to stay in power despite losing an election. For that, he will be revered forever.

I don’t believe many, if any at all, of these people actually believe there was “massive fraud” in the 2020, at least not in the sense of a bunch of votes being cast by people who were legally ineligible to vote, or vote counts being electronically altered to give a predetermined result. The actual “massive fraud” in their eyes is demographic change that allows a Democratic candidate to win despite losing the white vote 58-41.

Their belief in American ideals... was contingent upon the USA being a white country. 60 years ago there were six white people for every nonwhite. Now for every six white people, there are four nonwhites. In thirty years, it will be six to six if they do nothing. And they’re not having it. They didn’t ask for that change, they don’t accept it, and they want it back the way it was. If the only way to have a democratic republic going forward is pluralism, then they say, to with it.

I think what’s happening right now with the resurgence of the “Big Lie” is a preference cascade in which Republican politicians are realizing that their base does not believe in American democracy anymore, and not only will not punish them for walking away from it, but absolutely WILL punish them for failing to do whatever is necessary to hold onto power.

This is a preference cascade because the vast majority of Republican voters and Republican politicians believed that overt hostility to democracy would be wildly unpopular and result in immediate, severe blowback, so they kept their beliefs to themselves. Trump brought it out into the open. After January 6, these politicians thought even GOP voters would be angry and incensed about the attack on the Capitol. On the contrary, at least a solid plurality GOP voters wanted a successful coup.

They’re not quite at the point where the masses are willing to say it out loud, which is why we have the empty rhetoric of “electoral integrity” the absurd spectacle in Arizona of looking for traces of bamboo in ballots. They’ll say it out loud once their subversion is successful.

But here’s the thing — this isn’t just about power. Power is the means to an end. I don’t think the GOP base wants white minority rule. They want white MAJORITY rule. They want it back the way it was. Ending democracy is just the beginning.

There was a high number of americans that wanted Martial Law, Martial ing Law

[ElNono]

There was a high number of americans that wanted Martial Law, Martial ing Law

This was not as uncommon as it sounds, tbh, at least outside the US (things have changed over time as well). It's a clear sign of desperation. Can happen for a variety of reasons, but common points are selfishness, baggery, and most importantly, ignorance.

Don't know of a country that went through a military coup and didn't regret it. I was born into one, so I had my share. What's really evident to me is that people asking for that have no idea what they're asking for. I mean no ing clue.

I just don't think it's, in general, as existential as OP makes it out to be. I'm sure there's a small minority that subscribes to that, but I find that in general they're just sore losers and would rather watch the world burn than to admit they lost.

The amped up polarization has turned what used to be a sports-like event (In my early years here, I found this to be a very US-specific trait), into a full blown confrontation where you get crazies calling the opposition 'enemies' and such.

Such banal stupidity, tbh... what are you going to do? Die defending the laffer curve? Discourse is a lost art form, and it does need to bubble back up at some point. It's ok to disagree.

[boutons_deux]

The 74M who voted for Trash, which includes 10Ms of so-called Christian evangelicals, voted for "God Guns Gays", racism, hate, vengeance, xenophobia, misogyny, and for Trash's fascism to implement it all, for Trash to keep hurting the people they elected him to hurt in 2016.

Those 74M now have dominance on corrupt SCOTUS and with 100s of right-ideological extremists in the Federal judiciary, judges for life.

America and its Capitalism were built on, empowered by racism (slavery) and created out of nothing by deeply flawed, archaic Cons ution that Capitalists, through the Repugs, have weaponized into unchangeability.

The Capitalists/Repugs realized decades ago that democratically elected legislatures were unreliable, were squishy and that the real hard power to implement their policies, including fascism, was in the judiciary, both in judges appointed for life and in judges corruptible by election.

corrupt, politicized SCOTUS has been delivered and continues, for decades, to deliver the goods for the Capitalists.

America is ed and un able

[pgardn]

What happened to Team POC? Increasingly thriving for a long time now.

what is team POC?

[ElNono]

The 74M who voted for Trash, which includes 10Ms of so-called Christian evangelicals, voted for "God Guns Gays", racism, hate, vengeance, xenophobia, misogyny, and for Trash's fascism to implement it all, for Trash to keep hurting the people they elected him to hurt in 2016.

Those 74M now have dominance on corrupt SCOTUS and with 100s of right-ideological extremists in the Federal judiciary, judges for life.

America and its Capitalism were built on, empowered by racism (slavery) and created out of nothing by deeply flawed, archaic Cons ution that Capitalists, through the Repugs, have weaponized into unchangeability.

The Capitalists/Repugs realized decades ago that democratically elected legislatures were unreliable, were squishy and that the real hard power to implement their policies, including fascism, was in the judiciary, both in judges appointed for life and in judges corruptible by election.

corrupt, politicized SCOTUS has been delivered and continues, for decades, to deliver the goods for the Capitalists.

America is ed and un able

lol no, and you're seething.

[DMC]

There was a high number of americans that wanted Martial Law, Martial ing Law

When your city is being burned to the ground daily it stands to reason people want law and order

[DMC]

Though I think the Israel thing will put this administration front and center, and it could be ugly

MSM controls much of the narrative and they are mainly liberal, and the polarization has never been so obvious.

[boutons_deux]

lol no, and you're seething.

stating facts

[Adam Lambert]

When your city is being burned to the ground daily it stands to reason people want law and order

MSM controls much of the narrative and they are mainly liberal, and the polarization has never been so obvious.

Back to back derpishly hyperbolic takes, have you had a bad couple weeks?

[DMC]

First years are usually pretty slow, tbh... plus the fact that we don't have a POTUS trolling and rage tweeting at 2 AM is welcome...

It's not "slow". It's completely absent. This admin has thus far gotten what amounts to a free pass from the free press.

[DMC]

Back to back derpishly hyperbolic takes, have you had a bad couple weeks?

If someone breaking through a glass door is a coup attempt, then burning businesses and looting for months on end can qualify quite easily as "burning cities to the ground".

[DMC]

what is team POC?

The redfish tournament team.

[ChumpDumper]

DMC's whataboutornado

[Adam Lambert]

If someone breaking through a glass door is a coup attempt, then burning businesses and looting for months on end can qualify quite easily as "burning cities to the ground".

So you believe breaking through the Capitol doors qualifies as a coup attempt?

Or is it just selective hyperbole on your part?

[ChumpDumper]

DMC is downplaying the events of 1/6.

He's boringly predictable just like all the Trump s.

[Winehole23]

When your city is being burned to the ground daily it stands to reason people want law and order

[Winehole23]

MSM controls much of the narrative and they are mainly liberal, and the polarization has never been so obvious.

[Winehole23]

If someone breaking through a glass door is a coup attempt, then burning businesses and looting for months on end can qualify quite easily as "burning cities to the ground".

Violently breaking into the US Capitol so as to disrupt the certification of the Electoral College vote was rebellion against the US government and the Cons ution.

It was a per se attack on the US government.

[DMC]

So you believe breaking through the Capitol doors qualifies as a coup attempt?

Or is it just selective hyperbole on your part?

It's being called that here repeatedly and you've thus far been onboard. Don't puss out now.

[DMC]

You can't keep updating the card, that's not now Bingo works.

[spurraider21]

to be fair, "the narrative" and "cities were burned down" appear on both versions

[DMC]

to be fair, "the narrative" and "cities were burned down" appear on both versions

Here you can quite easily see how he's just adding whatever I say as he goes along.

Where's "tilting at windmills" now?



Expect next square "Where's tilting at windmills now?"