VA gov. Race: Democrat McAuliffe doing everything to lose a once easy election

[ducks]

yes lets broadcast our children to the internet

Do not have to show kids or even the teachers just voices

[rmt]

But that's exactly what homeschooling is. It's removing the children from the society around them, different opinions and experiences, with the primary goal to indoctrinate them into some archaic values that largely no longer hold in our society.

It's basically a model based on church schools, but actually worse. The child and society are ultimately who pay the price for that.

Heavy sigh - if you really think that this is what homeschooling is. IMO, it's trying to give your kids a better education than the other options available.

Let's have parents that want to homeschool get accreditation via an annual test. A teacher would certainly not have a problem passing that test. That's good enough for me to ascertain the parent is qualified.

It isn't good enough to test the STUDENT annually. Now you want to test the PARENT ANNUALLY as if proving ONCE that a parent is qualified isn't enough or even that passing this accreditation ensures that the student learns. Isn't that the goal - that the STUDENT learns? Why do you need to test the parent annually too if the student shows proof of progress/learning every year?

Of course I can call out homeschooling in it's current form. It provides no guarantees to the children of obtaining an education. It's far different from other educational enterprises where failure is not an option (due to, among other things, commercial interest).

I don't know why YOU keep talking about homeschooling like you're an expert. Each state has its own requirements for homeschooling.

Florida requires an annual evaluation by a certified teacher or reporting of test scores (usually in our homeschooling group IOWA Basic Skills) that show progress. Some choose to send their kids to public school for the testing (FCAT previously, FSA now) because it's free - knowing that the public schools kids have been TAUGHT specifically TO the test (and of course, their kids aren't). I chose mostly to do the former as it's more nationalized.

Florida is very good about the FREEDOM and support it offers homeschoolers. We are allowed to participate in all after school activities (like the Spanish Immersion program I sent my kids to for many years), sports, and 2 classes of your choice every year - I usually chose Spanish and Science since I dislike labs of any kind. They also allow unlimited access to Florida Virtual School which offers just about any class available to regular ps - this I used for Spanish 1 and 2 and Geometry Honors in middle school. I taught my kids Algebra 1 because it's foundational to Calc and with proof of doing well in Geometry Honors (Alg 1 is pre-requisite), it was a breeze with placement into 9th grade Algebra 2 Honors. Likewise for Spanish 3 Honors.

I know that California is not like this - they allow no access to public school classes or virtual class that I am aware of. They strongly DISCOURAGE homeschooling by doing this.

There's nothing subjective about it. You know as well as I do what our societal rules are, what makes a person employable, how to improve the odds of that person being successful, etc.

Again, being in denial of the society around you doesn't make it not real. You walk the same streets I do, interact with the same companies and people everyone else does, etc.

Let me rephrase that, then. It provides no guarantees that the children is obtaining an education from a qualified teacher.

I would also argue that you need way more than just that to succeed in today's society. That might've cut it in the 60s, not in this day and age.

That said, homeschooling is the choice only in about 3% of households nationwide. I just don't think it's a good idea to expand that without some sort of oversight/regulation.

Would you call employment with a FAANG company succeeding in today's society? Would you call a promotion and leading a (albeit) small group of 3 on track for another promotion next fall - success? BTW, the total compensation these software engineers get is obscene. Does that qualify as a success?

Would you call a first year Boeing internship succeeding? Or a Lockheed Martin fall and spring co-op a success? Or was it being voted High School Sweetheart (still can't believe a child of mine was VOTED in by entire school population in a popularity contest)?

As for my Aspie son, he would have been left behind in 1st grade in public school learning his 11-18 math facts (it took me 2 years and trying every curriculum under the sun for him to memorize these). But here he is - passed the PE (Professional Engineer) exam in September and just needs 4 years of engineering experience to gain PE certification. Hopefully, he does well on his interview tomorrow, but he would still have his Aspie issues whether he went to public school or not (probably along with a lot more teasing) - this one is my pride and joy because everything was a struggle with him.

I'm sure you're better than a handful, there's always an outlier, but pray tell how your "life skillz" and personal experience trump school nurses, psychologists, librarians, school counselors, social workers, speech pathologists and all that network of educational support you find in any modern children schools? "My children came out ok" is not a valid answer. It's both a very debatable opinion and an anecdote.

You also don't come across as neither a scholar nor a bookworm (when you are, it shows). I am the son of a elementary school teacher (not in this country and long retired), so I grew up watching every day the amount of work it takes to master a topic, prepare a class, identifying and helping problematic children, seeking help for them, and the years and years it takes to actually gain experience to become really good at that job, and everything that surrounds it. From problematic parents, to deficient infrastructure in some cases, to children that just go to school to get a free meal. I frankly think you've no idea what are you talking about and are just talking out of your ass.

Newsflash to you - parents (more often than not - mothers) are nurses, psychologists, librarians (choose books for), counselor, social worker, speech pathologist (who do you think does those DAILY exercises with them - do you think it's the mere half hour a week with the professional that does it?) for THEIR kids (along with a whole myriad of other things like cook, chauffeur, maid, secretary, etc.) because they are closest to them and KNOW them best.

If my previous posts (before this one) inferred that my homeschooled kids came out ok and that didn't cut it (for you), I apologize. I should have been more forthright so that this homeschooling household could be chalked up as a success (to you).

I'll let readers, via my post history, decide what my ability to asses others looks like.

What are you - some SpursTalk resident assessor? Who made you judge over whether I come across as a scholar or bookworm (I never claimed to be one) or not? Or even if one needs to be a scholar or bookworm to educate their child?

I like anecdotes. If you don't, then don't use your parent as an example.

I know that I have a lot more experience in homeschooling than you - so who's the one talking out of his ass?

[ElNono]

Heavy sigh - if you really think that this is what homeschooling is. IMO, it's trying to give your kids a better education than the other options available.

No, that's not what I think homeschooling is, that's what the majority of surveyed parents doing homeschooling actually said it is the reason they do homeschooling. You might be an outlier, but that doesn't make it any less true. I linked to that many posts ago (here: https://nces.ed.gov/FastFacts/display.asp?id=91)

It isn't good enough to test the STUDENT annually. Now you want to test the PARENT ANNUALLY as if proving ONCE that a parent is qualified isn't enough or even that passing this accreditation ensures that the student learns. Isn't that the goal - that the STUDENT learns? Why do you need to test the parent annually too if the student shows proof of progress/learning every year?

Because if the parent isn't qualified, that children is now at least a full year behind his/her peers, and because curriculums get updated all the time. What happens when the kid does not pass accreditation? Is he sent out to a public school to make up for the lost time? No. He's sent back to the same unqualified parent to try again, and this is with the kid already behind.

I don't know why YOU keep talking about homeschooling like you're an expert. Each state has its own requirements for homeschooling.

Florida requires an annual evaluation by a certified teacher or reporting of test scores (usually in our homeschooling group IOWA Basic Skills) that show progress. Some choose to send their kids to public school for the testing (FCAT previously, FSA now) because it's free - knowing that the public schools kids have been TAUGHT specifically TO the test (and of course, their kids aren't). I chose mostly to do the former as it's more nationalized.

Florida is very good about the FREEDOM and support it offers homeschoolers. We are allowed to participate in all after school activities (like the Spanish Immersion program I sent my kids to for many years), sports, and 2 classes of your choice every year - I usually chose Spanish and Science since I dislike labs of any kind. They also allow unlimited access to Florida Virtual School which offers just about any class available to regular ps - this I used for Spanish 1 and 2 and Geometry Honors in middle school. I taught my kids Algebra 1 because it's foundational to Calc and with proof of doing well in Geometry Honors (Alg 1 is pre-requisite), it was a breeze with placement into 9th grade Algebra 2 Honors. Likewise for Spanish 3 Honors.

This is great and all, but actually doesn't address what you replied to at all. Having a test by a certified teacher (the irony of this is not lost on me) to asses educational progress comes after the kid spent a full year doing homeschooling. Glad your kids passed, but what happens when they don't? And should the State at the very least try to find out if the failure was on the kid or the educator? After all, you had to show zero credentials that you have any qualifications whatsoever to teach a children. That's not freedom, that's irresponsible.

So I don't have a problem with homeschooling as long as there's appropriate oversight. After all, Florida has a compulsory education law that requires kids between the ages of 6 and 16 (or younger if they achieved a HS diploma) to attend school. Looks like they forgot about freedom on that one, but the supposed interest of the State in children having proper education is certainly displayed there.

I know that California is not like this - they allow no access to public school classes or virtual class that I am aware of. They strongly DISCOURAGE homeschooling by doing this.

California doesn't have a statewide law as far as attendance to classes, it's managed district by district and homeschooling parents can certainly call their district and inquire about it. There is one rule (Rule 305 of the California Interscholastic Federation) that does preclude homeschooled children from playing on public school teams.

Would you call employment with a FAANG company succeeding in today's society? Would you call a promotion and leading a (albeit) small group of 3 on track for another promotion next fall - success? BTW, the total compensation these software engineers get is obscene. Does that qualify as a success?

Would you call a first year Boeing internship succeeding? Or a Lockheed Martin fall and spring co-op a success? Or was it being voted High School Sweetheart (still can't believe a child of mine was VOTED in by entire school population in a popularity contest)?

As for my Aspie son, he would have been left behind in 1st grade in public school learning his 11-18 math facts (it took me 2 years and trying every curriculum under the sun for him to memorize these). But here he is - passed the PE (Professional Engineer) exam in September and just needs 4 years of engineering experience to gain PE certification. Hopefully, he does well on his interview tomorrow, but he would still have his Aspie issues whether he went to public school or not (probably along with a lot more teasing) - this one is my pride and joy because everything was a struggle with him.

I'll say that's pretty successful. Anecdotal, but successful.

Newsflash to you - parents (more often than not - mothers) are nurses, psychologists, librarians (choose books for), counselor, social worker, speech pathologist (who do you think does those DAILY exercises with them - do you think it's the mere half hour a week with the professional that does it?) for THEIR kids (along with a whole myriad of other things like cook, chauffeur, maid, secretary, etc.) because they are closest to them and KNOW them best.

So which one degree(s) do you have of those? formal education in any of those areas at the very least? Do tell.

Oh wait, you're a government worker, right? What is it? Social worker? Pedagogy? Pediatrics?

If my previous posts (before this one) inferred that my homeschooled kids came out ok and that didn't cut it (for you), I apologize. I should have been more forthright so that this homeschooling household could be chalked up as a success (to you).

Sorry, you don't get to grade yourself. That's certainly convenient, but it just doesn't work that way.

I'm glad your kids came out ok, but you still haven't answered under what credentials/authority you make the claim you're better at teaching children than most public school teachers? That was your claim after all, and what I took exception to.

I mean, this is all great, and looks like things worked out for you, but you still haven't answered that.

What are you - some SpursTalk resident assessor? Who made you judge over whether I come across as a scholar or bookworm (I never claimed to be one) or not? Or even if one needs to be a scholar or bookworm to educate their child?

I like anecdotes. If you don't, then don't use your parent as an example.

I know that I have a lot more experience in homeschooling than you - so who's the one talking out of his ass?

The problem with anecdotes is that you can't extrapolate them into anything useful. They're the absolute minimum possible sample size, and thus very much worthless when it comes to ascertain if something is the norm or not.

However, that didn't stop you from asserting that a random person on the internet which you know nothing about would make a better teacher than "most public school teachers". Here:

For centuries, parents taught their kids (including all life skills) or the schoolhouse teacher taught all aged kids (think Little House on the Prairie). You, SR21, would do a fine job teaching your daughter (especially if you start early and incorporate into daily life) - it doesn't take a lot of time and you'd do a better job than most public school teachers.

I mean, I actually briefly met SR21 in person, he seems like a smart, standup guy, and frankly I have nothing bad to say about him.

But that claim really comes across as pretty insulting and ignorant of the work most public school teachers actually put in not to just educate one, two or three children, but a whole class year in and out for many years.

Despite what it might look like from outside, it's not an easy job, and just like lawyers or nurses, it requires constant training in many diverse areas that go beyond particular topics. I mentioned my mother because I've seen it first hand not just with her, but also with all her teacher friends throughout 40-some years.

I can't claim to be a professional in the area myself (and have not done so), but at the very least I can claim a modi of knowledge in that area, thus why I find your claim to be more hubris than anything else. After all, having homeschooled your children doesn't make you an expert on public school teachers, right?

So, maybe I'm wrong, maybe you do have pedagogy credentials and you're making that claim based on something more than just a hunch, do tell.

[Will Hunting]

Youngkin wins this race by 2-3% imo

[DMC]

i already said that there are advantages to some private schools, including smaller class sizes, more parent involvement in the process, more accessible co-curricular activities. but the selection sample would also likely be a huge driver if you just want to compare the average outcome of private school vs public school students

So smaller class sizes and more parent involvement seems good. It seems home schooling would be even more of both. Most of the objections I've read are based on routine welfare checks. This has nothing to do with education. If the government wants welfare checks, fine. Have a worker drop by to check. This is akin to saying traffic stops should be allowed for minor like expired stickers because they often find other infractions. There shouldn't be a gateway rule to allow the government access they wouldn't otherwise have, under the guise of education. Otherwise it's true that children can be abused at home and no one would know, but that's a completely different issue.

[hater]

[spurraider21]

So smaller class sizes and more parent involvement seems good. It seems home schooling would be even more of both. Most of the objections I've read are based on routine welfare checks. This has nothing to do with education. If the government wants welfare checks, fine. Have a worker drop by to check. This is akin to saying traffic stops should be allowed for minor like expired stickers because they often find other infractions. There shouldn't be a gateway rule to allow the government access they wouldn't otherwise have, under the guise of education. Otherwise it's true that children can be abused at home and no one would know, but that's a completely different issue.

I dont mean parent involvement re curriculum. But the school maintains more regular contact with parents and keeps them current on the students academic status. Parent teacher conferences, etc.

Homeschooling could have some benefits if the teacher is actually qualified and sticks to a good curriculum, but also has some awful drawbacks such as a lack of social development and as discussed, a lack of exposure to different people and experiences. The child as also at the mercy of one teacher. If it’s a bad teacher, they’re completely ed

[boutons_deux]

Can't teach public school in TX without a college degree (of any type),

but you don't need a degree or education in the subject(s) you are to teach

What are the educational requirements for homeschool "teachers"?

Certainly not one of them is knowledgeable in all subjects

[boutons_deux]

Trump throws wrench into GOP plans for Virginia governor’s race with explosive statement

Responding to news reports that Youngkin has been purposefully keeping Trump at arm’s length during the campaign — and a Lincoln Project ad that taunted him about it —

the former president issued a statement attacking “the perverts”

behind those political ads and

closely aligning the Virginia GOP candidate with his own deplorable policies.




https://occupydemocrats.com/2021/11/...sive-statement

[Thread]

Trump throws wrench into GOP plans for Virginia governor’s race with explosive statement

Responding to news reports that Youngkin has been purposefully keeping Trump at arm’s length during the campaign — and a Lincoln Project ad that taunted him about it —

the former president issued a statement attacking “the perverts”

behind those political ads and

closely aligning the Virginia GOP candidate with his own deplorable policies.




https://occupydemocrats.com/2021/11/...sive-statement

Boiled down:::

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

[boutons_deux]

There Will Be Intimidation

Republican Poll Watchers Make Their Return in Virginia Gubernatorial Race

we can expect some MAGA fireworks whether their candidate, Glenn Youngkin, wins or loses.

If they lose, we know that they will say the vote was rigged.

If Youngkin wins, Donald Trump’s Big Lie will be equally well-served.

They will say it’s because of the vigilance of the hordes of Republican poll watchers

who are set to descend upon polling places on Election Day.

Trump was likely under the assumption that he could just send his MAGA mob to storm the polling places, no questions asked.

And a spate of new election laws being enacted by Republican state legislatures are essentially making that reality now.

“The President is blatantly urging his supporters to congregate at polling places, go inside, and ostensibly harass and intimidate voters.

While there are authorized ‘poll watchers’ who monitor polls on Election Day,

their duties are clearly laid out,

and they do not include what President Trump has suggested.”

one recruitment seminar in which a precinct chair in a white suburb of Houston exhorted volunteers to go into the Black, Asian and Latino areas on election day because “that’s where the fraud is occuring.”

illustrates what they actually have in mind: suppression and intimidation of racial and ethnic minority voters, particularly in urban areas.

former Chief Justice William Rehnquist who, as a young lawyer in Arizona, personally applied some ugly racist intimidation against Latino and Black voters in the 1964 presidential campaign.

“Operation Eagle Eye” throughout the nation.

"we have evidence that the Republican program is not really what it purports to be.

It is an organized effort to prevent the foreign born, to prevent Negroes, to prevent members of ethnic minorities from casting their votes by frightening and intimidating them at the polling place.”

https://truthout.org/articles/republican-poll-watchers-make-their-return-in-virginia-gubernatorial-race/

[Nathan89]

Why do democrats hate white people so much?

[Nathan89]

The media makes more noise about plants in the crowd than the actual racism coming from their preferred candidate.

[ChumpDumper]

The media makes more noise about plants in the crowd than the actual racism coming from their preferred candidate.

Do you consider blacks your equals?

Yes or no.

[hater]

Why do democrats hate white people so much?

[Reck]

You gotta get in blacks and a few Latino teachers in. Whites like to their own students a little too much.

[Will Hunting]

Terry McFat is gonna pull the classic Clinton Democrat move - run a ty, ultra vanilla campaign that talks about nothing other than MUH ABORTION and MUH TRUMP, then complain when young people don't show up after giving them absolutely no incentive whatsoever to vote for him.

Hopefully after he loses McAuliffe gets type 2 diabetes and needs to have his amputated.

[Reck]

Youngkin wins this race by 2-3% imo

I didn’t know the election was actually today. I thought this was a midterm thing for next year. That’s why I was like there’s time to recover etc.

Will there be mail in votes? That will be the difference maker.

[Will Hunting]

I didn’t know the election was actually today. I thought this was a midterm thing for next year. That’s why I was like there’s time to recover etc.

Will there be mail in votes? That will be the difference maker.

yes, mail in voting is allowed, but the mail in #s have been underwhelming.

McFatass losing isn't to blame on Biden or his low approval though, he's run an atrocious campaign and Youngkin has run a pretty good campaign.

[baseline bum]

Youngkin wins this race by 2-3% imo

538 has Youngkin up a little under 1% from polls taken a week ago so I wouldn't be surprised to see his margin more like 4-5% after his tiki torch stunt that wasn't reflected in that polling.

[Will Hunting]

538 has Youngkin up a little under 1% from polls taken a week ago so I wouldn't be surprised to see his margin more like 4-5% after his tiki torch stunt that wasn't reflected in that polling.

I don't think the Tiki Torch stunt will matter that much, the bigger problem is that McAuliffe is a fat male version of Hillary Clinton who's about as unlikable as someone can possibly be.

I also think the polls might be slanted red a little bit, they certainly were for the CA recall race.

[spurraider21]

mail in votes were allowed. i was auto enrolled so i received mine without even entering a request. confirmed thru the voter registration website that the ballot was received within 4-5 days of me sending it back out

[Dirks_Finale]

Why do democrats hate white people so much?

They don't.

It's all theatrics. They will say anything if they think it will generate more votes in their column.

[Will Hunting]

They don't.

It's all theatrics. They will say anything if they think it will generate more votes in their column.

This isn't going to generate votes

McFatass has done nothing to drive black voter turnout so he's using over-the-top iden y politics to do it at the last minute...it's the equivalent of trying to do your homework as the teacher collects it.

[Will Hunting]

Based off what turnout looks like VA is gonna be a close race imo, doubtful that either candidate wins by more than several %.