Did the FBI follow the FISA law to obtain the warrants against Page? Yes or no.
According to the OIG that looked deeply into this, and despite the numerous mistakes and errors he found with the process, there's no evidence of anybody intentionally breaking the rule of law in those applications (with the sole exception being Clinesmith).
I'll take his word for it. After all, he did have access to all the information and I have no reason to doubt his conclusion.
I didn’t ask you for Horowitz opinion on intentionality.
Did the FBI follow the FISA law to obtain the warrants against Page? Yes or no.
page is a ing traitor- let him go!
crofl
I share Horowitz opinion.
Horowitz listed off 10+ instances where the law FISA law wasn’t followed.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf
If you run a red light unintentionally did you still break the law?
Horowitz also never said the applications were illegal (I asked you to point that out, and I know you can't because it's not there), simply that the process needed to be improved. He found big mistakes for sure.
You sure do. For example, Horowitz didn't claim to have evidence Clinesmith intentionally altered the email, yet he was tried and convicted.
FISA law requires sufficient predication to establish probable cause for a FISA warrant. Was the law followed in the applications? Yes or no.
Now what you're arguing is that without the mistakes the FISA applications wouldn't have been approved. That's strictly speculation.
Again, I share Horowitz conclusion that despite the mistakes made on the application, they were not illegal.
Non answer, try again.
FISA law requires sufficient predication to establish probable cause for a FISA warrant. Was the law followed in the applications? Yes or no.
You not liking the answer doesn't make it a non-answer.
One more time, I'm taking the authoritative conclusion from the office that looked at this in-depth, with access to evidence, and concluded it was not illegal.
Mostly because neither you or I had access to the information they had to build an answer to that question.
Warrants were invalidated because they didn't follow the FISA laws. Not following the law makes something illegal, intentional or not.
"We have to have one religion."
TSA's hero
some crimes are "strict liability" ie you dont need intent
others arent
an application being deemed invalid doesnt make it criminal. if i will out a form wrong with the DMV and my license renewal is denied, that doesnt mean i filled out the form illegally
Warrants were deemed invalid because they didn't follow the FISA law.
if my drivers license is deemed invalid because it turned out i filled a form incorrectly, that doesnt mean anything illegal was done
im contrasting illegality from impropriety
Were the warrants obtained lawfully?
CuckTSA: “my life ended when carter page left russia and joined trumps treason team”
That's quite the shift, and straight to the point: Invalid, not illegal.
That's what the OIG called it. He didn't have any emoticons in there. What are you saying, that Horowitz was wrong?
thats what the OIG did, not me
Were the warrants obtained lawfully?
If something is unlawful how is it still legal?
who called it unlawful?
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