Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[Cuck Ross]

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. Notice that "not valid" does not equal "illegal", and neither the OIG nor that do ent you linked to refer to them as illegal.

You have to break a law to make anything illegal. ie: Clinesmith did break the law, and was tried, nobody else was.

Did the FBI follow the FISA law to obtain the warrants against Page? Yes or no.

[ElNono]

Did the FBI follow the FISA law to obtain the warrants against Page? Yes or no.

According to the OIG that looked deeply into this, and despite the numerous mistakes and errors he found with the process, there's no evidence of anybody intentionally breaking the rule of law in those applications (with the sole exception being Clinesmith).

I'll take his word for it. After all, he did have access to all the information and I have no reason to doubt his conclusion.

[Cuck Ross]

According to the OIG that looked deeply into this, and despite the numerous mistakes and errors he found with the process, there's no evidence of anybody intentionally breaking the rule of law in those applications (with the sole exception being Clinesmith).

I'll take his word for it. After all, he did have access to all the information and I have no reason to doubt his conclusion.

I didn’t ask you for Horowitz opinion on intentionality.

Did the FBI follow the FISA law to obtain the warrants against Page? Yes or no.

[Spurs Homer]

I didn’t ask you for Horowitz opinion on intentionality.

Did the FBI follow the FISA law to obtain the warrants against Page? Yes or no.

page is a ing traitor- let him go!


crofl

[ElNono]

I didn’t ask you for Horowitz opinion on intentionality.

Did the FBI follow the FISA law to obtain the warrants against Page? Yes or no.

I share Horowitz opinion.

[Cuck Ross]

I share Horowitz opinion.

Horowitz listed off 10+ instances where the law FISA law wasn’t followed.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

If you run a red light unintentionally did you still break the law?

[ElNono]

Horowitz listed off 10+ instances where the law FISA law wasn’t followed.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

Horowitz also never said the applications were illegal (I asked you to point that out, and I know you can't because it's not there), simply that the process needed to be improved. He found big mistakes for sure.

If you run a red light unintentionally did you still break the law?

You sure do. For example, Horowitz didn't claim to have evidence Clinesmith intentionally altered the email, yet he was tried and convicted.

[Cuck Ross]

Horowitz also never said the applications were illegal (I asked you to point that out, and I know you can't because it's not there), simply that the process needed to be improved. He found big mistakes for sure.



You sure do. For example, Horowitz didn't claim to have evidence Clinesmith intentionally altered the email, yet he was tried and convicted.

FISA law requires sufficient predication to establish probable cause for a FISA warrant. Was the law followed in the applications? Yes or no.

[ElNono]

FISA law requires sufficient predication to establish probable cause for a FISA warrant. Was the law followed in the applications? Yes or no.

Now what you're arguing is that without the mistakes the FISA applications wouldn't have been approved. That's strictly speculation.

Again, I share Horowitz conclusion that despite the mistakes made on the application, they were not illegal.

[Cuck Ross]

Now what you're arguing is that without the mistakes the FISA applications wouldn't have been approved. That's strictly speculation.

Again, I share Horowitz conclusion that despite the mistakes made on the application, they were not illegal.

Non answer, try again.

FISA law requires sufficient predication to establish probable cause for a FISA warrant. Was the law followed in the applications? Yes or no.

[ElNono]

Non answer, try again.

FISA law requires sufficient predication to establish probable cause for a FISA warrant. Was the law followed in the applications? Yes or no.

You not liking the answer doesn't make it a non-answer.

One more time, I'm taking the authoritative conclusion from the office that looked at this in-depth, with access to evidence, and concluded it was not illegal.

Mostly because neither you or I had access to the information they had to build an answer to that question.

[Cuck Ross]

You not liking the answer doesn't make it a non-answer.

One more time, I'm taking the authoritative conclusion from the office that looked at this in-depth, with access to evidence, and concluded it was not illegal.

Mostly because neither you or I had access to the information they had to build an answer to that question.

Warrants were invalidated because they didn't follow the FISA laws. Not following the law makes something illegal, intentional or not.

[ChumpDumper]

"We have to have one religion."

TSA's hero

[spurraider21]

Horowitz listed off 10+ instances where the law FISA law wasn’t followed.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

If you run a red light unintentionally did you still break the law?

some crimes are "strict liability" ie you dont need intent

others arent

an application being deemed invalid doesnt make it criminal. if i will out a form wrong with the DMV and my license renewal is denied, that doesnt mean i filled out the form illegally

[Cuck Ross]

some crimes are "strict liability" ie you dont need intent

others arent

an application being deemed invalid doesnt make it criminal. if i will out a form wrong with the DMV and my license renewal is denied, that doesnt mean i filled out the form illegally

Warrants were deemed invalid because they didn't follow the FISA law.

[spurraider21]

Warrants were deemed invalid because they didn't follow the FISA law.

if my drivers license is deemed invalid because it turned out i filled a form incorrectly, that doesnt mean anything illegal was done

[Cuck Ross]

if my drivers license is deemed invalid because it turned out i filled a form incorrectly, that doesnt mean anything illegal was done

trying to equate FISA law to a DMV form

[spurraider21]

trying to equate FISA law to a DMV form

im contrasting illegality from impropriety

[Cuck Ross]

im contrasting illegality from impropriety

trying to equate the omissions of exculpatory evidence, misstatements on evidence, and altering of evidence as "impropriety"

Were the warrants obtained lawfully?

[Spurs Homer]

CuckTSA: “my life ended when carter page left russia and joined trumps treason team”

[ElNono]

Warrants were invalidated because they didn't follow the FISA laws. Not following the law makes something illegal, intentional or not.

some crimes are "strict liability" ie you dont need intent

others arent

an application being deemed invalid doesnt make it criminal. if i will out a form wrong with the DMV and my license renewal is denied, that doesnt mean i filled out the form illegally

Warrants were deemed invalid because they didn't follow the FISA law.

That's quite the shift, and straight to the point: Invalid, not illegal.

[ElNono]

trying to equate the omissions of exculpatory evidence, misstatements on evidence, and altering of evidence as "impropriety"

That's what the OIG called it. He didn't have any emoticons in there. What are you saying, that Horowitz was wrong?

[spurraider21]

trying to equate the omissions of exculpatory evidence, misstatements on evidence, and altering of evidence as "impropriety"

Were the warrants obtained lawfully?

thats what the OIG did, not me

[Cuck Ross]

That's quite the shift, and straight to the point: Invalid, not illegal.

If something is unlawful how is it still legal?

[ElNono]

If something is unlawful how is it still legal?

who called it unlawful?