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    I cannot grok its fullnes leemajors's Avatar
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    I didn't say you didn't need an ID, but it was pretty simple tbh. I walked into Academy a few weeks ago and bought one, took me about 15 minutes


    also, if you're buying at a gun show, do you even need an ID or background check? srs question
    I reserved a shotgun online at Academy about 8 months ago, and the only wait was 15 minutes to be able to fill out the background stuff on an iPad with an associate.

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    Van Duyne's is another one that's hilarious, the TX state leg basically just snaked it across North Tarrant County / North Dallas County when a compact map would have created another Dem-leaning district in North Dallas.

    I don't think it's hyperbole to say that this stuff compromises democracy.


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    Also why did it decide to draw a congressional district like this?

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    i think the impact on election results is probably overstated, but in principle its really hard not to get behind these efforts

    i think making election day a federal holiday would have more impact tbh

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    Is this your conspiracy theory?
    I'm not on the left re . Take it up with your comrades.

    Yeah probably, Democrats are the ing US Tories. Still better than voting for the US Nazis on the other side though.
    That's because it is. BBB is as good as dead, so Biden & co. are trying to distract the base to pointing to something shiny.

    If it weren't Manchin and Sinema, it'd be Mark Warner and Chris Coomer as the 51st and 52nd votes against BBB.

    Sinema even said the other day that she was sick of other centrist Dems in the senate who she personally knows don't personally want to pass BBB "hiding behind her skirt".

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    i think the impact on election results is probably overstated, but in principle its really hard not to get behind these efforts

    i think making election day a federal holiday would have more impact tbh
    I'd be fine with a federal voter ID requirement in exchange for election day becoming a national holiday, a federal voter ID program where voters can get an ID for free, and 2 weeks of mandatory early voting.

    The Dems who want like an 8 week EV period are re ed imo, but I think it's a very reasonable compromise to have 2 weeks of early voting + E-day being a national holiday in exchange for Republicans getting muh ID requirement.

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    I'm not on the left re . Take it up with your comrades.
    You don't have to be on the left to believe it.

    Are you really that stupid?

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    I'd be fine with a federal voter ID requirement in exchange for election day becoming a national holiday, a federal voter ID program where voters can get an ID for free, and 2 weeks of mandatory early voting.

    The Dems who want like an 8 week EV period are re ed imo, but I think it's a very reasonable compromise to have 2 weeks of early voting + E-day being a national holiday in exchange for Republicans getting muh ID requirement.
    They'll grow old, gray and they will die before they ever agree to ID.

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    You don't have to be on the left to believe it.

    Are you really that stupid?
    Do you think it's a leftist conspiracy theory?

    Yes or No

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    You don't have to be on the left to believe it.

    Are you really that stupid?
    It's not really a conspiracy theory, there were news reports last month that since the Dems were getting nowhere with BBB they were planning to pivot to voting rights once the senate was back in session this year.

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    Do you think it's a leftist conspiracy theory?
    I'd have to say no at this point since you're the only one advancing the theory.

    I think it is a theory that can be believed or not.

    Do you believe it's true?

    Yes or no.

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    They'll grow old, gray and they will die before they ever agree to ID.
    And the GOP will grow old, gray and die before it would ever agree to two weeks mandatory early voting in all 50 states + making eday a national holiday.

    Making it so the single mom juggling two jobs has to work a double shift on election day is a central pillar in the GOP's electoral strategy.

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    It's not really a conspiracy theory, there were news reports last month that since the Dems were getting nowhere with BBB they were planning to pivot to voting rights once the senate was back in session this year.
    It's possible, but that's different than saying no one was ever serious about it in the first place.

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    The fact slow Joe waited until a full year into his presidency to come out and say he supports going nuclear is why I question the seriousness of this whole charade. It's not like we just figured out that going nuclear is the only way a new VRA gets passed, that's been clear since the day Biden took office.

    His speech today about supporting rule changes seems to be more of a reaction to impatience from the base than anything else.

    Heck, even though it's in Atlanta, Abrams didn't even bother to show up to it because she's annoyed at how long it's taken Biden to formally announce his opposition to the filibuster

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    The fact slow Joe waited until a full year into his presidency to come out and say he supports going nuclear is why I question the seriousness of this whole charade. It's not like we just figured out that going nuclear is the only way a new VRA gets passed, that's been clear since the day Biden took office.

    His speech today about supporting rule changes seems to be more of a reaction to impatience from the base than anything else.

    Heck, even though it's in Atlanta, Abrams didn't even bother to show up to it because she's annoyed at how long it's taken Biden to formally announce his opposition to the filibuster
    Meh, Joe is a former senator and an ins utionalist. He was never going to want to go nuclear off the bat.

    I guess if everyone wants to give up now, that's on them.

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    Paul Weyrich said 40 years ago that the Repugs, conservatives don't want "everybody" to vote.

    The oligarchy's and Repugs' strategy and tactics for decades have suppressed voters.

    Why did pre-clearance racist states have prepared and change their voting rules within hours after Repug SOTUS removed pre-clearance, SCOTUS hallucinating that America had come a long way since the 1960s?

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    Meh, Joe is a former senator and an ins utionalist. He was never going to want to go nuclear off the bat.

    I guess if everyone wants to give up now, that's on them.
    He also had a front row seat to watching Obama waste the entire first year of his presidency trying to get a healthcare deal done with Chuck Grassley. It's been pretty clear since 2009 to anyone paying attention that expecting McConnell's senate caucus to act in good faith is a fool's errand, and I doubt Biden didn't know that. He was just hoping his base would lose interest in this issue and he wouldn't be expected to follow through on it.

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    Also comparing Joe Manchin to George Wallace is an insult to George Wallace. Wallace was a fiscally liberal southern populist who wouldn't have just supported BBB, he'd have wanted it doubled in size, and he also became a reformed racist who won 90% of the black vote in Alabama when he ran for governor in 1982.

    Post 1972 Wallace is exponentially better than Manchin.

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    He also had a front row seat to watching Obama waste the entire first year of his presidency trying to get a healthcare deal done with Chuck Grassley. It's been pretty clear since 2009 to anyone paying attention that expecting McConnell's senate caucus to act in good faith is a fool's errand, and I doubt Biden didn't know that. He was just hoping his base would lose interest in this issue and he wouldn't be expected to follow through on it.
    So give up?

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    No. Start lining up primary opponents for Sinema, Chris Coomer, Mark Warner, etc.

    Start painting centrist Democrats as the obstructionists that they are instead of kowtowing to them the way Biden and Pelosi have so far this year.

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    I didn't say you didn't need an ID, but it was pretty simple tbh. I walked into Academy a few weeks ago and bought one, took me about 15 minutes


    also, if you're buying at a gun show, do you even need an ID or background check? srs question
    Only if the seller holds a FFL. Non FFL holders cannot just get background checks on people. Either way the response is either yes or no.

    The alternative is to tell people they must go through an FFL to sell their gun, or enable anyone calling to not need an FFL number to get background information on people. It's your choice. We could do the same with autos though - no proof of insurance, no DL, you cannot sell the car to them. Also you need to check to see if their DL is suspended.

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    No. Start lining up primary opponents for Sinema, Chris Coomer, Mark Warner, etc.

    Start painting centrist Democrats as the obstructionists that they are instead of kowtowing to them the way Biden and Pelosi have so far this year.
    So give up on doing anything about voting rights now and maybe someday get some other guys in the Senate.

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    Also you might as well give up. We're 3 months away from when midterm season starts, at that point no major legislation is getting done.

    That's why Biden waiting an entire year to exert any effort on this issue is disingenuous. The window to get major legislation done is basically the first year of your presidency when your party has complete control, after that people start worrying about midterms / your party likely loses control of congress. Biden was all too content letting the GOP & centrists Democrats run out the clock negotiating a ty infrastructure bill that does nothing but transfer wealth from urban taxpayers to rural freeloaders.

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    Also you might as well give up
    OK.

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    The window to get major legislation done is your first year in office. It's that simple. Biden already has given up, that's why he intentionally waited this long.

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