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    The candidates may not all be fully accurate, but I think the point still stands:


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    It helps Kelly in AZ and CCM in Nevada.

    Has minimal impact on other races.

    A majority of the country is pro-choice, but that majority cares about abortion a lot less than the pro-life minority does, which is the key distinction people miss when they think abortion is an election boon for Democrats.

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    It helps Kelly in AZ and CCM in Nevada.

    Has minimal impact on other races.

    A majority of the country is pro-choice, but that majority cares about abortion a lot less than the pro-life minority does, which is the key distinction people miss when they think abortion is an election boon for Democrats.
    Oh boy it has big effects in the South too as the video suggests. Black voters might not want to get the vax but they are very, very, very strongly pro choice and will vote in droves, Alabama Doug Jones 2018 style, if this becomes a talking point. The white pro-choice majority isn't as loud as the white pro-life minority, true, but you're forgetting a critical demographic that just so happens to be enormous in the South. I would argue it'd help the Southern Democrats even more than Kelly and CCM, even though yes, Kelly and CCM would win in such a scenario. Hispanics are the only racial demographic to have a pro-life majority.

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    Oh boy it has big effects in the South too as the video suggests. Black voters might not want to get the vax but they are very, very, very strongly pro choice and will vote in droves, Alabama Doug Jones 2018 style, if this becomes a talking point. The white pro-choice majority isn't as loud as the white pro-life minority, true, but you're forgetting a critical demographic that just so happens to be enormous in the South. I would argue it'd help the Southern Democrats even more than Kelly and CCM, even though yes, Kelly and CCM would win in such a scenario. Hispanics are the only racial demographic to have a pro-life majority.
    Idk what you're talking about. Black voters in the South are culturally conservative, they're not staunchly pro-choice or anything, and even if they were they're still the minority in those states. There aren't enough black people in MS/AL/SC/TN/LA/AR etc. to flip a senate seat in the south even if they smashed turnout expectations.

    The notion that southern states would vote Democrat if not for abortion is a coastal liberal fantasy, the national Democratic Party's brand in those states is toxic to white voters. Overturning Roe wouldn't change that.

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    Idk what you're talking about. Black voters in the South are culturally conservative, they're not staunchly pro-choice or anything, and even if they were they're still the minority in those states. There aren't enough black people in MS/AL/SC/TN/LA/AR etc. to flip a senate seat in the south even if they smashed turnout expectations.

    The notion that southern states would vote Democrat if not for abortion is a coastal liberal fantasy, the national Democratic Party's brand in those states is toxic to white voters. Overturning Roe wouldn't change that.
    The black voters are very strongly pro choice, just look at the PP/abortion rates per capita by race in the USA, plus the polls. They may be "culturally conservative" in some ways but not nearly to the extent of Hispanics. They're more fiscally conservative than culturally, I'd say. Most are, indeed, on board with BLM and similar anti-police brutality movements. They especially don't like the prospect of $8 a gallon gas but they would vote for that before they'd vote for a federal prohibition on abortion (yes, I know that's not exactly what Roe v Wade is, but I'm just noting an example).

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    The black voters are very strongly pro choice, just look at the PP/abortion rates per capita by race in the USA, plus the polls. They may be "culturally conservative" in some ways but not nearly to the extent of Hispanics. They're more fiscally conservative than culturally, I'd say. Most are, indeed, on board with BLM and similar anti-police brutality movements. They especially don't like the prospect of $8 a gallon gas but they would vote for that before they'd vote for a federal prohibition on abortion (yes, I know that's not exactly what Roe v Wade is, but I'm just noting an example).
    You're just making stuff up.

    Black Democrats are to the right of non-black Democrats on abortion.

    https://news.gallup.com/opinion/poll...-abortion.aspx



    16% more non-black Democrats say abortion is morally acceptable than black Democrats do, and 13% more non-black Democrats say abortion should be legal under any cir stance than black Democrats do.

    Do you have any actual data to back up your claim? I'm guessing you don't.

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    You're just making stuff up.

    Black Democrats are to the right of non-black Democrats on abortion.

    https://news.gallup.com/opinion/poll...-abortion.aspx



    16% more non-black Democrats say abortion is morally acceptable than black Democrats do, and 13% more non-black Democrats say abortion should be legal under any cir stance than black Democrats do.

    Do you have any actual data to back up your claim? I'm guessing you don't.
    That still doesn't jive with the indisputable fact that more black females, per capita, are still getting abortions more than any other race, and it's not even super close.

    Gallup is an excellent source so I believe it. now give me the stats on Hispanics. I bet Hispanics have an even further right wing view on abortion than blacks. Over 90% of Hispanics are practicing Roman Catholics.

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    4-25-20 Will Hunting's Avatar
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    That still doesn't jive with the indisputable fact that more black females, per capita, are still getting abortions more than any other race, and it's not even super close.

    Gallup is an excellent source so I believe it. now give me the stats on Hispanics. I bet Hispanics have an even further right wing view on abortion than blacks. Over 90% of Hispanics are practicing Roman Catholics.
    I'm not talking about Hispanics I'm talking about blacks. The Hispanic beliefs about abortion have nothing to do with your re ed hypothesis about overturning Roe making it so deep south states could go blue.

    With respect to the abortion rates - that's a flawed analysis. A small majority of every demographic ever gets abortions; the <10% of black women who get an abortion in their life isn't a reflection on what black men or most other black women think about an abortion. The higher abortion rates among black women is more related to a lack of sex education and/or safe sex than it is abortion beliefs.

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    I agree with Will, it will not have much of an impact on these midterms.

    Long term, it would be a problem for the right and most GOP politicians know that and shy away from the topic for that very reason.

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    most GOP politicians know that and shy away from the topic for that very reason.

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    Long term, it would be a problem for the right
    This

    Blood bath for repugs. Repugs can win 53-47 if left wing black people don't show up in droves. But if they overturn roe vs wade, black people will unite and put dems over the top. Roe vs wade is more important to black women than any president. They will vote like their life is in the line. Blood bath for repugs.
    & this.

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    It should be a blood bath for repubs if they don't overturn it. You finally have all the votes and then do nothing? How's the base going to accept that?

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    They came out for Trump even when he didn't make a wall or overturn Obamacare and didn't put Hillary in jail.
    I said "should be" the Dems don't have the balls to run the"lol no roe v Wade overturn" message

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