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    As much as I'm starting to like Poeltl.

    1. He will always be a limited player because of he's inability to hit outside of 9 footer
    2. His FT while improving is still a dismal 40%
    3. While his help defense is excellent (despite overhelping at times and leaving his guy for open dunks), he is a terrible on-man defender especially against capable bigs
    4. He will be demanding more money after next season (he himself said he'll be working on that salary increase). And should Spurs pay him starting Center salary? Nope

    Better to move him while his stock is high
    Chicago is offering a gleaguer and a pick. Hard pass. I’m open to the right deal, but this ain’t ing it….

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    I’m saying they still send the POR FRP as it is, but also upgrade to a better protection structure on the 2025 FRP they got from DDR trade. Maybe completely unprotected is a stretch, but making it Top 8 in 2025, Top 3 in 2026 and 2027, etc.
    It’s already fairly lightly protected, 1-10,1-8,1-8

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    Don't see spurs getting a lottery pick for poodle
    I don’t think the pick is probably the sticking point. It’s not great, but theyre offering a virtual gleaguer. It’s almost like the posters at Bullstalk have taken over their front office.

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    I'd hate to see us land Sabonis only to see him improve us just enough to get us out of the top 8 in the draft. A top 5 or really top 4 pick is way more valuable than Sabonis.
    You assume this front office would actually draft a big, which we desperately need, instead of another combo guard, with a top 5 pick. I'm not so sure about this. Sabonis would be WAY more valuable than insert 6 "4" guard with a 6"10" wingspan who won't really play for two years player, that the spurs might waste a top 5 pick on.

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    You assume this front office would actually draft a big, which we desperately need, instead of another combo guard, with a top 5 pick. I'm not so sure about this. Sabonis would be WAY more valuable than insert 6 "4" guard with a 6"10" wingspan who won't really play for two years player, that the spurs might waste a top 5 pick on.
    The Spurs have 35 million in cap space this summer so they really aren't beholden to drafting a forward even if it's their biggest need. Draft a guard and sign a forward works too.

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    Eh, a top-five pick doesn't matter. Who they get is what matters. I don't want them to make a move this season precisely for the reasons you do, but there are tons of scenarios where Sabonis and a pick that lands between 6-10 is better than just a pick that land between 1-5.
    You've got me pegged wrong. I don't necessarily want them to make a move unless its an overwhelming good one. After further consideration your point about a 6-10 pick and Sabonis having more value than a top 5 is worthy of an argument.

    I still think I'd prefer a top 5.

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    You assume this front office would actually draft a big, which we desperately need, instead of another combo guard, with a top 5 pick. I'm not so sure about this. Sabonis would be WAY more valuable than insert 6 "4" guard with a 6"10" wingspan who won't really play for two years player, that the spurs might waste a top 5 pick on.
    Take the best available player. I'm confident if they're in the top 3 that would be a big. I have no issue with the projected picks around 4-5 if that lands us a significantly impactful player.

    Its not a if we wouldn't have Jak... who's a pretty good center.

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    i'm fine with trading jakob.

    kinda surprised he's even on the trading block though. he's seems like "spurs material".

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    i'm fine with trading jakob.

    kinda surprised he's even on the trading block though. he's seems like "spurs material".
    He’s not really on the block. Teams are calling, and being rejected. the only leaked offer was from Chicago, and the player they included was a virtual gleaguer. The pick would have been mid first round, most likely, so we’d have no Jakob, and no way to replace him.

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    I was just tryin to figure out which salaries match since I don't think a rebuilding team would be interested in White. Obviously more picks would need to be included, but I couldn't find out what Indiana's asking price was. Spurs would be able to include 2 FRP's though and got a bunch of 2nds to throw in also. With players like Sabonis and Collins available the Spurs should really try to fix the hole at PF now rather than in free agency
    Maybe not, but White represents actual value; Walker IV doesn't.

    Sabonis isn't a PF, he's a C who's been shoehorned into guarding the former about half the time because they needed to get their best talent on the floor as much as possible.

    As good as he is, he's more a floor than ceiling raiser. A C who can't stretch the floor, protect the rim or defend well in space is an awkward fit in most cases.

    Other than looking to package Young and Walker IV or maybe seeing what they can get for Hernangomez' contract, the Spurs should of course listen on Poeltl and White, but remain patient.

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    I wouldn’t trade Jacob right now. He’s playing great!

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    Maybe not, but White represents actual value; Walker IV doesn't.

    Sabonis isn't a PF, he's a C who's been shoehorned into guarding the former about half the time because they needed to get their best talent on the floor as much as possible.

    As good as he is, he's more a floor than ceiling raiser. A C who can't stretch the floor, protect the rim or defend well in space is an awkward fit in most cases.

    Other than looking to package Young and Walker IV or maybe seeing what they can get for Hernangomez' contract, the Spurs should of course listen on Poeltl and White, but remain patient.
    Did we get to brass tax in here on being able to move Herngomez by the deadline? That that was a big no?

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    he shot 37 and 35% the seasons before and is at 31% right now. People are not really worried about his shooting that much although it could be better
    You purposefully trying to make him look bad doesn't reflect on his actual level of play or value.
    Yes I am making him miss treys and have gimpy feet at times this season.

    Laverts injury history/ games played are worse than whites.
    This i did not know. Thank you.
    Derrick White is the number one FG% at the rim defender for guards in the NBA, and number three, OVERALL.
    at the rim.
    Guess those feet can’t be too bad.
    Minority of a guard D is at the rim.
    Still excellent rim D.

    I have not see a lot of Spurs games this year but the ones i have his perimeter D has not been stellar like previous years.
    Feet?

    To all. I'm not buring on White, rather attempting to see if foresight is that he is arcing out now, or rather last year.
    With the Spurs previous pathetic overpaying then holding on to dead weight, i don't want to see us with a gimpy declining White for 4 more years.
    He is currently the highest paid Spurs. Not the highest performing. This trend needed to stop after Zaza.
    Explore a trade if indeed so many other teams are inquiring.

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    10681455[/URL]]I wouldn’t trade Jacob right now. He’s playing great!
    It’s called selling high….but I’m with you that he is worth keeping unless someone overpays

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    I like Jak a lot... but he is an obvious player to sell high on. Yes, he is playing like a top C. Yes, he is on a cheap deal. But, he won't be on a cheap deal after next season, which is the earliest where we might hope that our window for contention will open assuming we land an impact rookie and have continued development of our youngs AND make a move for someone else who can make an impact.

    I hate to lose Yak, but we really do need to look to maximize the value of what we have by dealing him to a contender. Spurs demanding a 1st plus a quality player is the correct asking price. The only exception, I would go straight up for Wiseman just for home run potential. Jak is a perfect addition for a team in Win Now mode, and the asking price should be commensurate.

    White is in a similar situation, but still has value in our timeline since he has more years left on his deal.

    Only way this team is going to be contenders again is to fully commit to the rebuild and sell asset high. Derrick and Jak are honestly the only true assets we have. Hanging on them isn't going to get us where we want to go unless we get lucky in the lottery and get the next 10-year all pro.

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    I like Jak a lot... but he is an obvious player to sell high on. Yes, he is playing like a top C. Yes, he is on a cheap deal. But, he won't be on a cheap deal after next season, which is the earliest where we might hope that our window for contention will open assuming we land an impact rookie and have continued development of our youngs AND make a move for someone else who can make an impact.

    I hate to lose Yak, but we really do need to look to maximize the value of what we have by dealing him to a contender. Spurs demanding a 1st plus a quality player is the correct asking price. The only exception, I would go straight up for Wiseman just for home run potential. Jak is a perfect addition for a team in Win Now mode, and the asking price should be commensurate.

    White is in a similar situation, but still has value in our timeline since he has more years left on his deal.

    Only way this team is going to be contenders again is to fully commit to the rebuild and sell asset high. Derrick and Jak are honestly the only true assets we have. Hanging on them isn't going to get us where we want to go unless we get lucky in the lottery and get the next 10-year all pro.
    Doesn't seem like anyone is wanting to buy high right now.
    Just because a offer comes down the pipeline means nothing more than a offer came down the pipeline.

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    Teams are inquiring about Jak because they’ve seen our recent trades, see how bad our roster actually is and think they can finesse us. I don’t blame them.

    Raps and Bulls aren’t giving us for him. Every starter on the Raps is better than every player we have other than DJ.

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    Obviously if we can't for Jak or Derrick, we hold.

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    Keldon and poetl for Patrick Williams a 1st round pick and filler. Who says no?

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    Keldon and poetl for Patrick Williams a 1st round pick and filler. Who says no?
    I'm not that big of a fan. I am as skeptical of Keldon as a long-term piece as any Spurs fan, but the Spurs should definitely hold onto him if they can't find a team that assign's "blue-chip" value to him. Like with Murray, Johnson can now say he's a gold-medalist. That gives him cachet around the league. He's also a productive player who may overcome his flaws. The Spurs shouldn't sell him low. I like Williams well enough, but he's more of a viable return for Poeltl given his injury and lack of production. I don't see him as off-setting the value gap between Poeltl and the Portland first.

    In general, though, I do think Poeltl's trade threshold is lower than most Spurs fans want it to be. I don't really want a first this year, but after this season, I'd be okay with getting one back. He's a good player who fits culturally, but he's not a great player, and his contract doesn't matter to the Spurs for the rest of its duration. They're likely in a position where they can afford to pay more for a defensive center who makes too much money like Adams. Getting a first for Poeltl and taking Adams or Horford or whomever in a dump for a year while being content with another high pick is one of the possible paths forward.

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    10681506[/URL]]Obviously if we can't for Jak or Derrick, we hold.
    I believe the proper term is “we like what we have”. I still think Thad is getting traded for filler and second rounder or two.

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    I am fine with trading Jakob more than Keldon. Keldon has all star trajectory same as Murray, I see him similar to Miles Bridges who is considered a borderline all star in his 4th season. CHA is the perfect fit for Jakob and 2 years ago was one of his suitors , maybe a PJ and Jakob swap is doable with some draft asset coming our way.

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    Several teams, including the Minnesota Timberwolves and Phoenix Suns have expressed interest in trading for Spurs forward Thaddeus Young, league sources told HoopsHype.
    Young, 33, has openly stated that he’d like to play for a contender. He averaged 12.1 points on 55.9 percent shooting with 6.2 rebounds last season before being shifted to a reduced role on a rebuilding Spurs team this season after being acquired via trade.
    The Suns and Spurs had previous discussions centered around Jalen Smith, Dario Saric and second-round draft pick compensation for Young, league sources told HoopsHype.
    As our HoopsHype salary cap expert, Yossi Gozlan, previously noted on our podcast, any team that trades for Smith can’t re-sign him to a salary next season more than the amount he was supposed to get on his rookie-scale deal. This scenario puts any team who trades for Smith at risk of losing him if another team offers him more than $4.7 million.
    The Timberwolves and Spurs had exploratory talks on a trade involving Taurean Prince and a second-round pick for Young, league sources told HoopsHype.
    Prince suffered a left ankle sprain on Sunday. Before his injury, Prince averaged 17.5 points on a blistering 68.2 percent from three-point range with 6.8 rebounds in his last four games.
    per Hoopshype

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    I always wanted the spurs to acquire Taurean Prince when number 2 was here

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    Isn't Prince a SA native?

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