Ukraine

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As of March 31st it looks like I’ll be out of a job. They just downsized all patrol hubs in Donetsk and Luhansk to 30 international mission members each (from around 150). Georgians just ordered westward as well. Too much of a logistical nightmare to keep all those MMs in our western teams with limited resources and accommodation.

sayonara mandate

Grim business, Deads.

[DeadlyDynasty]

would you have us send in the cavalry?

The Minsk Agreements are not only violated, they are irreversibly torn up now that Russia “publicly” has troops in Eastern Ukraine (we all knew they were there before, but this brazen move is a throw-down to the West).

Yes, NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine because Russia has boots on the ground in Ukraine. Suggesting otherwise is nothing else but a concession to Putin. Whomever fires the first shot is another matter, but a show of force must be met with a show of force now that diplomacy has failed spectacularly.

If not now, when? What’s your strategy besides have Putin dictate the pace every step of the way?

[hater]

The Minsk Agreements are not only violated, they are irreversibly torn up now that Russia “publicly” has troops in Eastern Ukraine (we all knew they were there before, but this brazen move is a throw-down to the West).

Yes, NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine because Russia has boots on the ground in Ukraine. Suggesting otherwise is nothing else but a concession to Putin. Whomever fires the first shot is another matter, but a show of force must be met with a show of force now that diplomacy has failed spectacularly

Ukraine was not abiding to Minsk Agreements either. For years.

[pgardn]

Okay now the red team wants us to police the world again instead of curling up...
This is very difficult to keep track of.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Ukraine was not abiding to Minsk Agreements either. For years.

You read a lot of Donbas news I take it…

[pgardn]

Ukraine was not abiding to Minsk Agreements either. For years.

Hater!

pssstttttttt... secret lettering coming.

the US did not hold to the Iranian agreement either, Iran violated it. (this is all that is needed "violation")

[hater]

Of course we with NATO are (Eastern Europe).
Its the cost.
We are not willing to bear the burden, neither is Russia. Right now anyway.
What you are suggesting will be a WW which you crave so badly.
Peace out hater now suggesting new wild scenarios.

Sorry but US/NATO is a paper tiger.

Its designed and constructed to fight miserable 3rd world holes. We have a great air force that unleashes on sandal wearing armies. Then our boots basically stroll through territory.

That ship has sailed.

We still have a far superior air force but cannot operate at will anymore. Russian air defenses are good enough to down more than a few of our jets. We would never unleash on the ground for our boots to stroll around.

We also cannot lay a finger on Russian territory as that would mean a nuclear warhead up the ass. Putin has said if one inch of Russia is attacked its nuclear war.

US and NATO armies have to be redesigned and reconstructed to have a chance in .

[DeadlyDynasty]

Has anybody here worked in Ukraine or the Donbas? Just curious where all these informed opinions are coming from

[hater]

Russia is a 3rd world hole. I'd rather visit india hole than to rusky hole.

Ok

[pgardn]

Sorry but US/NATO is a paper tiger.

Its designed and constructed to fight miserable 3rd world holes. We have a great air force that unleashes on sandal wearing armies. Then our boots basically stroll through territory.

That ship has sailed.

We still have a far superior air force but cannot operate at will anymore. Russian air defenses are good enough to down more than a few of our jets. We would never unleash on the ground for our boots to stroll around.

US and NATO armies have to be redesigned and reconstructed to have a chance in .

You dont have a clue.
You really dont.

[hater]

You read a lot of Donbas news I take it…

Nope its easy to look up Minsk agreement:

1. An immediate and comprehensive ceasefire.

2. Withdrawal of all heavy weapons by both sides.

3. Monitoring and verification by the OSCE.

4. To start a dialogue on interim self-government for the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, in accordance with Ukrainian law, and acknowledge their special status by a resolution of parliament.

5. A pardon and amnesty for people involved in the fighting.

6. An exchange of hostages and prisoners.

6. Provision of humanitarian assistance.

7. Resumption of socio-economic ties, including pensions.

8. Restore full control of the state border by the government of Ukraine.

9. Withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, military equipment and mercenaries.

10. Cons utional reform in Ukraine including decentralisation, with specific mention of Donetsk and Luhansk.

11. Elections in Donetsk and Luhansk on terms to be agreed with their representatives.

12. Intensify the work of a Trilateral Contact Group including representatives of Russia, Ukraine and the OSCE.



Ukraine was absolutely not following at least 1, 2, 4, 9, 10, 11. There was zero dialogue with the separatist republics, still huge inflow of weapons and mercs. Thats the opposite of dialogue.

Thats why we are where we are

[ChumpDumper]

Nope its easy to look up Minsk agreement:

1. An immediate and comprehensive ceasefire.

2. Withdrawal of all heavy weapons by both sides.

3. Monitoring and verification by the OSCE.

4. To start a dialogue on interim self-government for the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, in accordance with Ukrainian law, and acknowledge their special status by a resolution of parliament.

5. A pardon and amnesty for people involved in the fighting.

6. An exchange of hostages and prisoners.

6. Provision of humanitarian assistance.

7. Resumption of socio-economic ties, including pensions.

8. Restore full control of the state border by the government of Ukraine.

9. Withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, military equipment and mercenaries.

10. Cons utional reform in Ukraine including decentralisation, with specific mention of Donetsk and Luhansk.

11. Elections in Donetsk and Luhansk on terms to be agreed with their representatives.

12. Intensify the work of a Trilateral Contact Group including representatives of Russia, Ukraine and the OSCE.



Ukraine was absolutely not following at least 1, 2, 4, 9, 10, 11

Thats why we are where we are

Was Russia following every single provision?

Yes or no.

[DeadlyDynasty]

You just said WW3 is not a big thing you ing duffys.

I’m sorry but that’s not what I said and judging by your responses to everyone’s posts in this thread you should probably just lurk for awhile and sleep this one off. It’s ok, kid

[pgardn]

Nope its easy to look up Minsk agreement:

1. An immediate and comprehensive ceasefire.

2. Withdrawal of all heavy weapons by both sides.

3. Monitoring and verification by the OSCE.

4. To start a dialogue on interim self-government for the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, in accordance with Ukrainian law, and acknowledge their special status by a resolution of parliament.

5. A pardon and amnesty for people involved in the fighting.

6. An exchange of hostages and prisoners.

6. Provision of humanitarian assistance.

7. Resumption of socio-economic ties, including pensions.

8. Restore full control of the state border by the government of Ukraine.

9. Withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, military equipment and mercenaries.

10. Cons utional reform in Ukraine including decentralisation, with specific mention of Donetsk and Luhansk.

11. Elections in Donetsk and Luhansk on terms to be agreed with their representatives.

12. Intensify the work of a Trilateral Contact Group including representatives of Russia, Ukraine and the OSCE.



Ukraine was absolutely not following at least 1, 2, 4, 9, 10, 11

Thats why we are where we are

We are here because Putin has taken a risk reward gamble based on his hard on for the Soviet Union to come back.
He is more than willing to risk the Russian people's standard of life vs. the US and the rest of the world its hit to the stock market via petroleum and sanctions.
China has already stated this is a clear violation of a sovereign nation's rights because they just became a bit poorer as well.

[HemisfairArena]

The Minsk Agreements are not only violated, they are irreversibly torn up now that Russia “publicly” has troops in Eastern Ukraine (we all knew they were there before, but this brazen move is a throw-down to the West).

Yes, NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine because Russia has boots on the ground in Ukraine. Suggesting otherwise is nothing else but a concession to Putin. Whomever fires the first shot is another matter, but a show of force must be met with a show of force now that diplomacy has failed spectacularly.

If not now, when? What’s your strategy besides have Putin dictate the pace every step of the way?

You will never get an American democrat to grow a backbone and stand up,,,,wont happen. Its why the last democrat president to serve in the military was way back with the peanut farmer in Carter. They dont know the meaning of courage. Clinton,,,Barry,,,Biden,,,,all non military members. They even elect democrat candidates like Hillary that never served. Cowards stick together,,,,

[SnakeBoy]

The Minsk Agreements are not only violated, they are irreversibly torn up now that Russia “publicly” has troops in Eastern Ukraine (we all knew they were there before, but this brazen move is a throw-down to the West).

Yes, NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine because Russia has boots on the ground in Ukraine. Suggesting otherwise is nothing else but a concession to Putin. Whomever fires the first shot is another matter, but a show of force must be met with a show of force now that diplomacy has failed spectacularly.

If not now, when? What’s your strategy besides have Putin dictate the pace every step of the way?

Why should we go to war over Ukraine? And don't give me the whatabout Stalin bull

[hater]

We are here because Putin has taken a risk reward gamble based on his hard on for the Soviet Union to come back.

DD brought up the Minks agreement. Its a fact Ukraine was not following it at all.

[ChumpDumper]

You will never get an American democrat to grow a backbone and stand up,,,,wont happen. Its why the last democrat president to serve in the military was way back with the peanut farmer in Carter. They dont know the meaning of courage. Clinton,,,Barry,,,Biden,,,,all non military members. They even elect democrat candidates like Hillary that never served. Cowards stick together,,,,

Trump was a draft dodger so you obviously just forgot to on him too, right?

[HemisfairArena]

Why should we go to war over Ukraine? And don't give me the whatabout Stalin bull

Why arent we protecting the southern border?

[ChumpDumper]

DD brought up the Minks agreement. Its a fact Ukraine was not following it at all.

Was Russia?

Yes or no.

[HemisfairArena]

Trump was a draft dodger so you obviously just forgot to on him too, right?

Clinton was a drafter dodger and you elected him twice and tried to elect his wife,,,,

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Biden is fighting for democracy and orange stain takes it in the back. Fondles puddings ball sack some more today.

Your boy finding himself up to his ass in alligators, eh, daddy?..."I'll just Bogart him out of invading."

tee, hee.

[pgardn]

DD brought up the Minks agreement. Its a fact Ukraine was not following it at all.

The separatists broke it first.

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Clinton was a drafter dodger and you elected him twice and tried to elect his wife,,,,

Hemi just wiped the floor with Dumper's dumper.

Hemi

[pgardn]

Your boy finding himself up to his ass in alligators, eh, daddy?..."I'll just Bogart him out of invading."

tee, hee.

So will you at least use the bus now?
Or you just gonna sit at home?