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LB, we scooted out of Afghanistan running for our lives, losing 13 of 'em in the panic as we abandoned that post just last August. Said 13 came back thru Dover, Biden went on out with Jill to meet them making sure to take his watch.
Please. He's been there 5 days, Winester.
LB, we scooted out of Afghanistan running for our lives, losing 13 of 'em in the panic as we abandoned that post just last August. Said 13 came back thru Dover, Biden went on out with Jill to meet them making sure to take his watch.
People are underestimating Russia based on Putler's canon fodder not taking Ukraine immediately. Russia definitely underestimated Ukraine, and Russia might not have the capability to hold Ukraine in a prolonged occupation, but people are deluding themselves if they believe Russia doesn't have the means to completely level Ukraine...And it's hard to see Putin just taking the L.
Someone mentioned Grozny...We haven't seen s ing like that. Just one of the cards Putin still has up his sleeve. As stated before, expect tougher troops, better equipment, and more bombs from Russia going forward.
In other news, Putin has activated his nuclear deterrence forces and moved them to combat duty.
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We're at defcon 2. Putin is breaking out the nukes.
Important point. Clearly Putin thought Ukraine would open it's arms and, if not, kids with Soviet gear, a few paratroopers, and sabatours would be enough for a quick victory, but what happens the longer this goes on?
Ukraine's staunch defense might buckle if Putin starts throwing in T14s, carpet bombs, and chemical attacks.
Then again, it would rally more Ukrainians to the cause...But it's hard to see Putin not trying.
Exactly. Occupy the more Russia friendly parts of Eastern Ukraine first, if for no reason other than moral and notching a few Ws.
Russia does hold the Donbas for the most part. It's linking up with the other battle groups that is proving difficult.
Yeah he could resort to more brutal tactics and easily win, but the problem there is that it accelerates anti-Russia sentiment in Ukraine. The insurgency his troops would face in the aftermath of any kind of mass bombing / WMD attack would be a nightmare.
Imo Russia will run into a moral problem too if Putin starts ordering the slaughter of tens of thousands of people who are culturally the same as the Russian troops in Ukraine. It’s a lot different than when US troops are ordered to go kill a bunch of Jihadist savages who they have nothing in common with.
I mentioned that in my reply to Putin and Trump's fleshlight, but I'd be shocked to see Putin not at least try. Seems like no option is off the table for Putin right now. Ukraine is the crown jewel of old Soviet territory, and Putin going all in for it is what I expect if Kyiv isn't taken soon and/or Ukraine capitulates (which isn't happening).
Apparently, Ukraine is going to meet with Russia at the Belarusian border. Ukraine won't give in, and Russia likely won't back down. I can see the news in the coming days being along the lines of "we offered peace but Ukraine has left us no choice but to escalate, blah, blah".
Yeah Ukraine taking that meeting is stupid. One thing that’s helped Ukraine so far is that Putin hasn’t been able to control the narrative. Zelensky should say that if Putin has a ceasefire offer in mind, make it to the world so everyone knows what it actually is.
Agreed. And, unless Putin shocks the world and gives up/offers up "favorable" terms, I don't see this being anything other than a pretext for escalation. Putin knows Ukraine and it's central government isn't stepping down for some puppet regime, nor are they going to lay down arms, or recognize Lughansk and Donetsk.
Putin Puts Russian Nuclear Deterrence Forces on High Alert Over Aggressive Statements by NATO
Enjoy your last few days on earth homeys. Ima have steak and lobster today.
At the start of the war, Putin called the Ukrainian leadership drug-addicted neo-Nazis. His conditions for talks were for the Ukrainian military to lay down their arms and for Zelensky to give himself up.
Yesterday he said talks will only be acceptable in Minsk (capital of Belarus). They asked the Kazakhs and Chechens for help ... the Kazakhs refused and Chechnya's general is now dead in combat
And today he's accepting unconditional talks at the border, while blustering about Russia's nuclear deterrent.
Clearly this is not going according to his original plan. The question is whether he can salvage something that he can show as a win for his domestic audience - given the economic shock Russia is faced with as a result of his misadventure
Its been 4 days.
If Ukraine agrees to become neutral state. Its all over.
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Yeah I won't hold my breath for Zelenskyy to step down, Ukrainians to put down arms, and recognize the breakaway regions.
If they win the war in Ukraine, Putin is basically "Doc Rivers"'ing his way to a win, it's not by any merit of his own. Russia definitely has valid strategic concerns vis-a-vis NATO in Eastern Europe. The last president to take them seriously as a geopolitical partner was George H.W. Bush who was also the last to make any clear commitment to Russia regarding American securities to refrain from pushing NATO membership into the former Soviet Bloc. I admit that Ukraine has particular importance as the former breadbasket of the Russian empire and as home base of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Crimea. Thus the concern about the prospect of any Westward movement in Ukraine. In that sense, inept US foreign policy has made the prospect of military clash in Eastern Europe inevitable.
But back to my original point, I only listed two failures by Putin in this operation but there's even more now that I think about it.
1) Terrible waste of elite units. Throwing airborne (elite and hard to replace) units against targets without ensuring air superiority and adequate support by other arms has shredded Russia's airborne regiments. Especially in the assault of Hostomel Airport outside Kiev, where unprotected airborne forces were promptly shredded by Ukraine artillery and infantry. If that wasn't enough, dropping airborne forces directly on Kiev while carpet bombing the target has to go down in modern history as one of the most spectacularly foolish deployment of elite troops as one can get
2) Logistics. Russian armor and mechanized infantry have been left unsupported and without fuel/ammo because they've advanced too far beyond the army's ability to supply them. (as I mentioned before; the problem of being tied to highways).
3) Tactics. Russian mechanized infantry in APCs have repeatedly failed to deploy in combat, leaving their carriers and tanks exposed to infantry and Molotov tails. Armor cannot operate without infantry protection, yet the Russians consistently deploy them in a fashion which ensures heavy losses of both armor and infantry units. This represents a fatal problem in modern warfare which depends on the deployment of combined arms working in mutual support to vercome the enemy. Armor and carriers cannot function without an infantry screen to protect them from anti-tank weaponry, but that is exactly how Russian keeps deploying them
Calm down
If they win the war in Ukraine, Putin is basically "Doc Rivers"'ing his way to a win, it's not by any merit of his own. Russia definitely has valid strategic concerns vis-a-vis NATO in Eastern Europe. The last president to take them seriously as a geopolitical partner was George H.W. Bush who was also the last to make any clear commitment to Russia regarding American securities to refrain from pushing NATO membership into the former Soviet Bloc. I admit that Ukraine has particular importance as the former breadbasket of the Russian empire and as home base of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Crimea. Thus the concern about the prospect of any Westward movement in Ukraine. In that sense, inept US foreign policy has made the prospect of military clash in Eastern Europe inevitable.
But back to my original point, I only listed two failures by Putin in this operation but there's even more now that I think about it.
1) Terrible waste of elite units. Throwing airborne (elite and hard to replace) units against targets without ensuring air superiority and adequate support by other arms has shredded Russia's airborne regiments. Especially in the assault of Hostomel Airport outside Kiev, where unprotected airborne forces were promptly shredded by Ukraine artillery and infantry. If that wasn't enough, dropping airborne forces directly on Kiev while carpet bombing the target has to go down in modern history as one of the most spectacularly foolish deployment of elite troops as one can get
2) Logistics. Russian armor and mechanized infantry have been left unsupported and without fuel/ammo because they've advanced too far beyond the army's ability to supply them. (as I mentioned before; the problem of being tied to highways).
3) Tactics. Russian mechanized infantry in APCs have repeatedly failed to deploy in combat, leaving their carriers and tanks exposed to infantry and Molotov tails. Armor cannot operate without infantry protection, yet the Russians consistently deploy them in a fashion which ensures heavy losses of both armor and infantry units. This represents a fatal problem in modern warfare which depends on the deployment of combined arms working in mutual support to vercome the enemy. Armor and carriers cannot function without an infantry screen to protect them from anti-tank weaponry, but that is exactly how Russian keeps deploying them
Its been 4 days.
Russia is in an existential battle so optics dont matter anymore. Either Russia achieves their goal or we all die in nuclear fire.
Id say chances of nuclear thunderstorms are moderate to high now.
Defcon 1
Kyiv has not been carpet bombed. A few indiscriminate cruise missile attacks, but no carpet bombs...yet.
Tanking the economy, losing hundreds of lives and military equipment, getting the oligarchs' assets frozen .... all that for Ukraine to say "Sure Vlad, we'll stay neutral, pinky promise". I don't think even the most delusional Putin fanboys would consider that a win.
If that's all Putin gets out of this misadventure, his days as de facto Tsar will be numbered
Whatever it takes to make Ukraine neutral
Its an existential battle.
Zelensky’s office later confirmed the call with Lukashenko. The statement said the two agreed that “the Ukrainian delegation will meet with the Russians without any preconditions on the Ukrainian-Belarusian border, near the Pripyat River.”
World peace
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ukraine was neutral. turns out they got invaded anyway
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