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    Look Jack, you don't with America . Leave Ukraine and we good. Stay and bull and this is going to get worse.
    - "Promises, promises."

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    negotiation is a third option. if Russia can get a neutrality deal and a buffer zone in eastern Ukraine, that would be a tangible, face-saving something for the siloviki. for Zelenskiy, such a deal would save a lot of lives.
    Neutrality isn’t an option. Neutrality just means Russia will invade again next time they’re up for it

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    Neutrality isn’t an option. Neutrality just means Russia will invade again next time they’re up for it
    Exactly. We live in a brutal world. If you can't defend your land then it's just borrowed -- meaning it's not really yours and can be taken away. That's the really cold hard reality.

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    Exactly. We live in a brutal world. If you can't defend your land then it's just borrowed -- meaning it's not really yours and can be taken away. That's the really cold hard reality.
    And that's why Biden won't lay our lives down for Z's land. He just did that last Summer, laid 13 of our children down on the last day, they came home a few days later and Biden went on out to Dover to watch them as they "Stepped down from the plane. There to meet them were their mama's and papa's"...and Biden. Here they is, 7...







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    Neutrality isn’t an option. Neutrality just means Russia will invade again next time they’re up for it
    A deal would stop the bleeding. I have a hard time seeing what would prevent Russia from invading at will regardless if NATO won't fight for Ukraine.

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    I wish there was a neutral news site that could give real news on what's happening there. Its obviously not going as well for the Russians as they would like, but I also don't think they are doing as badly as reported. I don't trust any of the news we are hearing. Russians appear to be doing pretty well in he east and south having taken several cities. Remember, it took the US 41 days to take Falluja and the opposition there wasn't nearly as numerous or well armed as the Ukranians so the Russians are obviously doing something right.

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    A deal would stop the bleeding. I have a hard time seeing what would prevent Russia from invading at will regardless if NATO won't fight for Ukraine.
    "We" can't give him (a deal) now, we went too hard too fast and left him nothing but those nuclear codes. The problem being from Day 1, he had and has no compunction not to use them THIS time like last time.

    And now we're/USA too prideful to back down and we/Biden knows HE doesn't have to and can still not get nuked. Putin will nuke (them) and thus by proxy that would be us. (Proxy) sure beats the snot outta the real thing every day that ends in (y).

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    I wish there was a neutral news site that could give real news on what's happening there. Its obviously not going as well for the Russians as they would like, but I also don't think they are doing as badly as reported. I don't trust any of the news we are hearing. Russians appear to be doing pretty well in he east and south having taken several cities. Remember, it took the US 41 days to take Falluja and the opposition there wasn't nearly as numerous or well armed as the Ukranians so the Russians are obviously doing something right.
    Debka is greqt. Israeli intelligence.

    Also some indian sites are good since India is staying neutral

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    I wish there was a neutral news site that could give real news on what's happening there. Its obviously not going as well for the Russians as they would like, but I also don't think they are doing as badly as reported. I don't trust any of the news we are hearing. Russians appear to be doing pretty well in he east and south having taken several cities. Remember, it took the US 41 days to take Falluja and the opposition there wasn't nearly as numerous or well armed as the Ukranians so the Russians are obviously doing something right.
    Of course it's not.
    Of course it's not.

    That's the problem, CC. There ain't such a site. State runs medias on all 3 sides are it this time around. And it ain't by accident.

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    And that's why Biden won't lay our lives down for Z's land. He just did that last Summer, laid 13 of our children down on the last day, they came home a few days later and Biden went on out to Dover to watch them as they "Stepped down from the plane. There to meet them were their mama's and papa's"...and Biden. Here they is, 7...







    "Who's the wild man now!"
    I swear I have most of those same people in my basic training flight and that was mid 80s.

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    Of course it's not.
    Of course it's not.

    That's the problem, CC. There ain't such a site. State runs medias on all 3 sides are it this time around. And it ain't by accident.
    After Russiahoax, Covid BS you gotta be some kind of mental brained moronic dumb to believe anything CNN and NBC, WSJ, etc say

    A real for brains

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    Neutrality isn’t an option. Neutrality just means Russia will invade again next time they’re up for it
    True, bitterly true, just like the last 3 times they did. Only this time the US was ready for 'em and sent State run media CNN after 'em with everything they had. State run media FOX tried to brazen it out in the President Trump fine tradition, their pants and had to cozy up next to CNN..."We're sorry, we'll behave now, we'll be State run media FOX." And have been since Day 2, though if you'll notice they're getting a little President Trumpish once again. LMAO! FOX had to eat the sandwich in front of CNN and just hate it.

    LOL. This is good !!!

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    After Russiahoax, Covid BS you gotta be some kind of mental brained moronic dumb to believe anything CNN and NBC, WSJ, etc say

    A real for brains
    Exactly. BUT, the vast lion's share who bought all that COVID still can't be convinced otherwise. And never will, hater. State & CNN found a secure niche with Z on this affair and are all in. And they ain't budgin', not 1 inch.

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    Ya think these 2 still do it? I like a woman who is a bit withered and and has a fleeting countenance. And just a hint of yout there as well in her still insists..."I will not go quietly into the good night!"

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    After Russiahoax, Covid BS you gotta be some kind of mental brained moronic dumb to believe anything CNN and NBC, WSJ, etc say

    A real for brains
    CNN/Fox are two peas in a pod. WSJ isn't that bad.

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    I wish there was a neutral news site that could give real news on what's happening there. Its obviously not going as well for the Russians as they would like, but I also don't think they are doing as badly as reported. I don't trust any of the news we are hearing. Russians appear to be doing pretty well in he east and south having taken several cities. Remember, it took the US 41 days to take Falluja and the opposition there wasn't nearly as numerous or well armed as the Ukranians so the Russians are obviously doing something right.
    There are several good twitter threads that pass up on the propaganda. They have reached the same conclusion you have: Russia sucks, but is still slowly advancing.

    I would disagree on the second point though. The Russians aren't really doing anything right. They are moving simply because they committed such a large force.

    Military progress if often though of mimicking the physics of mass/motion and inertia. A very large mass moving slowly will have the same inertia/kinetic energy of a fast moving small one.

    UKR is benefitting from all sorts of force multipliers. Ready pools of replacements/volunteers, a river of aid from the West and the best intel, communications, etc. that US/EU can provide.

    The food, not the fuel may be the final nail that stops even that large body of troops. A tank that doesn't have fuel can easily be refueled an thrown back into operations but I suspect it won't be long will be until we see pictures of Russian soldiers who are literally starving.

    The crony capitalism of the kind that Republicans like means that the MREs available to feed this large mass of troops are... lacking.

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    Ya think these 2 still do it? I like a woman who is a bit withered and and has a fleeting countenance. And just a hint of yout there as well in her still insists..."I will not go quietly into the good night!"
    She could bring another man into their bed with them and he'd not remember the next day.

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    CNN/Fox are two peas in a pod. WSJ isn't that bad.
    "both sides are equal"

    False equivalence is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone incorrectly asserts that two or more things are equivalent, simply because they share some characteristics, despite the fact that there are also notable differences between them. For example, a false equivalence is saying that cats and dogs are the same animal, since they’re both mammals and have a tail.
    https://effectiviology.com/false-equivalence/

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    After Russiahoax, Covid BS you gotta be some kind of mental brained moronic dumb to believe anything CNN and NBC, WSJ, etc say

    A real for brains
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    And you still believe US governments lies that russia will invade anyday now
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    Aint no invasion gonna happen. [bull talking points omitted for brevity-RG]
    Regardless there will be no russian boots on ukranian soil. All this invasion talk is propaganda for internal US consumption.
    ...
    I stand by my call. Russia wont invade ukraine anytime soon. Their invasion is not imminent as re US claims.
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    There wont be any invasion. Russia will discoose their next steps to the public in response to NATO rejection of their proporsals.
    [bull russian propaganda talking point omitted, because Putin, that's why-RG]
    If you check Putins speech he clearly says all this has been planned months in advance. They are just executing the plan now.
    [bull russian propaganda talking point omitted, because Putin, that's why-RG]
    When how and where is all up to Russia. My guess is this will go slowly and methodically. Like a Boa constrictor.

    [insert current Russian propaganda talking point #1 here]
    and
    [insert Russian propaganda talking point #2 here]
    You guys are brainwashed for not believing this stuff.
    [repeats bull Russian propaganda talking point #1]

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    There are several good twitter threads that pass up on the propaganda. They have reached the same conclusion you have: Russia sucks, but is still slowly advancing.

    I would disagree on the second point though. The Russians aren't really doing anything right. They are moving simply because they committed such a large force.

    Military progress if often though of mimicking the physics of mass/motion and inertia. A very large mass moving slowly will have the same inertia/kinetic energy of a fast moving small one.

    UKR is benefitting from all sorts of force multipliers. Ready pools of replacements/volunteers, a river of aid from the West and the best intel, communications, etc. that US/EU can provide.

    The food, not the fuel may be the final nail that stops even that large body of troops. A tank that doesn't have fuel can easily be refueled an thrown back into operations but I suspect it won't be long will be until we see pictures of Russian soldiers who are literally starving.

    The crony capitalism of the kind that Republicans like means that the MREs available to feed this large mass of troops are... lacking.
    Thank you Sun Tsu

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