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Okay I'm entering with no board/thread bias or intrigue.
We need an off ramp where Russia U-turns to victory
- Russia cannot physically force Government change
- Ukraine NATO neutral
And Peace?
lmao im sure Russia wanted 6 of their generals to be killed in less than a month. all part of the plan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ion_of_Ukraine
Okay I'm entering with no board/thread bias or intrigue.
We need an off ramp where Russia U-turns to victory
- Russia cannot physically force Government change
- Ukraine NATO neutral
And Peace?
Probably headed that way with Russia keeping some of the Eastern territories they gained
These were borders drawn by Westeners and they question the West. Figures they would land grab.
Petty for what they sacrificed Internationally. Putin proclaims this War with the West but just socks up the neighbor.
Europe left out Russia and now they sabotaged the West for China daddy
Gioca a giochi stupidi
Its amazing,,,democrats still believe the liberal media,,,,you know if MSN is reporting it,,,,its probably false. Democrats say Fox News is a bunch of lies and then turn around and believe Rueters and MSN,,,,did China ask for their money back yet? rofl
There really isn't an easy off-ramp, tbh. Handing out the eastern territories is something Ukraine won't agree to. They already gave up Crimea, it also closes substantial access to the Black Sea, and they know Russia can't be trusted to keep their word. This is basically back to where things were before the conflict, but with Russia facing crippling sanctions.
What's really problematic is that Russia could've taken the Ukraine offer for neutrality, but they're adamant for a land grab. Obviously, it would be ridiculous if Russia can't even take those eastern cities by force, but there won't be peace in those territories anytime soon.
Right now the better odds are that Putin dies (from old age or otherwise) and there's a regime change that slowly backtracks.
Effy spotted at Wal Mart...
damn, Dale... not happy to just root for loserdom, you gotta make it personal too? Sorry Brandon has you shook, tbh...
Russia. Their off-ramp is ing withdrawing from UKR territory.
They lost the right to save face when they started butchering civilians in basement torture chambers.
NATO should be arming them with as much weaponry as possible. , lets give them a battalion or so of Abrams and some patriot missile systems, and top it off with ship-killer missiles. I think the time has also passed where we need to be worried about Russia's military. All they have left is nukes, and we have those too.
This guy sums it up. His view here mirrors mine.
Russia will spend itself on failure after failure, while URK eats their logistics. They will come close to outright collapse, and be forced to withdraw, even if NATO doesn't step up aid.
NATO will step things up as time goes by. The horrific massacres have made that plain. EU may even be brow-beaten into cutting back RUS natgas imports.
Putin has little idea how spent his military is, and I doubt senior officers are telling general officers in Moscow the whole truth either.
As time goes on the implosion of the Russian economy will make Putin's failures too obvious to hide from even the most brainwashed.
UKR has the drones to know where RUS positions are and what they are doing. UKR artillery will be VERY accurate and effective as a result.
... and on cue:
Ethnic Russians aren't bearing the brunt of the losses in UKR. It is poor kids from central asian republics that are.
One possible result of the disintegration of the RUS military is that some of these areas pull away from Moscow, or China says "that used to belong to us, nice country, think we'll help ourselves"
Longer this goes on, and the more exhausted RUS gets... the more vulnerable it gets to this.
More on that:
He has surrendered the last shred of his humanity into these horcruxes.
You wish, Frosty.
Look at what's he's done to Mariupol...
It is totally unconscionable and the world, I think, is now overwhelmingly on the side of the Ukrainians. Johnson said.
..."And I get to keep my plum job because of Putin, but am I rootin' for said Putin? You're darn tootin'."
+ the water, from Modova(sp.) straight across to the Russian border.
Tell it, Hemi.Its amazing,,,democrats still believe the liberal media,,,,you know if MSN is reporting it,,,,its probably false. Democrats say Fox News is a bunch of lies and then turn around and believe Rueters and MSN,,,,
Testify!!!
...thus the West is standing in for the (((socked up neighbor.))) Putin is shoving it, sure to Z, but primarily to Biden. And Joe has been warned thru the wide open back channel that Putin not hesitate whatsoever on this foray..."I will count to 3. There will not be a 4."
And by God, Joe believes him.
...but we won't use our's first ever again, Rarg. And as long as Putin doesn't hit us with said nukes, we won't hit him.
Effy spotted at Wal Mart...
Z, You can have it back now.
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