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In the 1969 case of Tinker v. Des Moines, the Supreme Court famously held that students in public schools do not “shed their cons utional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate.” The Supreme Court did not, however, endorse absolute freedom of expression in the Tinker case. Instead, the Court said that the First Amendment would protect expression only insofar as it does not that “materially disrupt classwork or involve substantial disorder or invasion of the rights of others.”
In the landmark 1985 case of New Jersey vs. TLO, the Supreme Court held that the Fourth Amendment applies to searches conducted on school grounds. However, the Court also held that schools are not required to get a warrant to search a student. The TLO Court also decided that school officials do not have to meet the usual standard of “probable cause” that is required when the state searches an adult. Rather, schools can search students based on a lower threshold, sometimes referred to “reasonable grounds” or “reasonable su ion.”
Can you provide a link supporting your claim?
Let the mental gymnastics begin.
The 2A isn't absolute (as ruled in DC vs er). Guns != nukes. I never heard a gun called a nuke or vice versa and pretty sure the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty isn't about guns.
Or he doesn't trust you to be forthright and honest about your intentions in even discussing it. It's not necessarily as bifurcated as you make it seem.what he really means is there should be some restrictions/regulations on guns. we just differ on where the line is as to what is or isnt an acceptable regulation. but he wont actually admit that because he's a dishonest , or really just hasnt thought this through beyond slogans and talking points
Does it make sense to mention nukes when discussion gun control? You rely on hyperbole and that indicates you're frustrated with the discussion because it's become a canned argument. You know where it's going and so does everyone else on both sides of the argument. Saying "it's not absolute" is fine between two people looking for a resolution. If one of those people though is looking to simply remove a cons utional right bit by bit (fallacy of the beard etc...) then admitting a right isn't absolute is opening the door for "well then where does that right end, where is infringement? Surely you care about kids, right?" as the opposition attempts to tie the deaths of children to people who do not wish to give up their rights instead of the people who did the crime.and yes, dealing with hypothetical outcomes of laws is an important part of making and enforcing laws, so it does come up in my profession. other side argues that the law should be applied in a certain manner, and its my job to figure out if that makes sense. if the law as they want it to be applied would lead to absurd results in other situations, then its a good argument against their position. thats how things work.
Abortion is a separate issue.if a state passes a blanket abortion ban, and somebody says "hm, so this is going to force a raped 13 year old girl to carry her pregnancy to term", you cant just brush that off as a stupid hypothetical. because its absolutely what is contemplated by the law as proposed.
I would if they refused to get their MTE calibrated. I'm the one who says words matter. You seem ok with people using wrong terminology as long as they agree with you.what's next, are you going to mock engineers for always wanting everything to be precisely calculated?
Don't need to. You just showed text explaining that children to not have the same rights as adults.
Game on in Sievierodonetsk. Ukrainians are counterattacking and russians are taking a beating.
You democrats on here sure do like going down with the ship,,,,Russia has broke Ukraine,,,,its all over but you go ahead and believe the impossible,,,,knock yourselves out,,,,,
That says the students have the same rights but the cir stances required a different standard for probable cause not that the notion was thrown out the window.
Nuance is hard.
Different standards = not same rights. No nuance needed. Double standards have always meant not the same rights.
equal but different.. gee where did we hear that before?
I actually showed text that clearly states, and I quote, children do not "shed their cons utional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate", which implies they do posses cons utional rights.
There are all sorts of permissible regulations on cons utional rights, that apply based on age, location, etc, not just children.
You can't yell "bomb" on a theater or carry a gun in a gun-free zone or be searched without a warrant in an airport... the BoR doesn't pertain to you then?
Still waiting for the SCOTUS link where they state the BoR doesn't pertain to children... not holding my breath...
The second amendment doesn’t say guns. It says arms.
If the nuke argument doesn’t sit right with you I’m ok with the hypothetical of a toddler purchasing a military grade machine gun. It’s the same point being made. Everybody is ok with some infringement despite the language of 2A. Once people admit that we can discuss where that line should be.
why don’t we allow convicts to have guns on them in their prison cell? The cons ution says shall not be infringed. Doesn’t carve out an explicit exception for people in prison or anything
Sure, they say that then go on to show that kids get adjusted rights. If they have the same rights as adults, why the double standard? What about the 2A? Do they have the right to bear arms?
You don't need to go as far as nukes to show that not all destructive devices should be legal to own. It's obvious dude was talking about guns, not nuclear devices. That's straight out of the anti-2A handbook.
Don't toddlers have 2A rights? I thought everyone had 2A rights. The toddler wasn't arrested, what happened to it's rights? What is "military grade" exactly? Vs what? Still waiting for someone to explain that one.If the nuke argument doesn’t sit right with you I’m ok with the hypothetical of a toddler purchasing a military grade machine gun. It’s the same point being made. Everybody is ok with some infringement despite the language of 2A. Once people admit that we can discuss where that line should be.
They had due process. See how easy it is to show examples without going to nukes? (however showing laws to prove rights are not absolute is faulty reasoning. Laws do not supersede rights, they often trample them though).why don’t we allow convicts to have guns on them in their prison cell? The cons ution says shall not be infringed. Doesn’t carve out an explicit exception for people in prison or anything
"literally shaking"
I never said I'd provide you with a SCOTUS link. You showed in your response that rights for adults and rights for children are not the same. Obviously minors don't get 2A rights. Any instance where you see someone say kids have the same cons utionally protected rights as adults will either fail to explain 2A and other amendments that aren't considered for kids, or they will say their rights are curbed or special or those rights are delayed until age 18, or whatever euphemism they can find to avoid saying "no, they don't have those rights as children".
You should wrap yourself in a blanket, gravy boat.
Maybe hole up in a safety bunker.
Children are in different cir stances which requires a different standard to fairly judge and apply the law/right given said cir stance. Like I said nuance is a struggle for you.Different standards = not same rights. No nuance needed. Double standards have always meant not the same rights.
DMC literally shaking in his panic room
President Putin pledged help to the families of fallen Russian soldiers.
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This is what that animal Biden did to the families of dead American soldiers...the in' animal...
8.29.2021
-A-DOODLE-DO!!!!!!!!!
UKRAINE
Published June 1, 2022 9:04am EDT
Zelenskyy says Ukraine losing 60-100 service members daily in intense eastern fighting.
Zelenskyy says 500 Ukrainian fighters are wounded every day.
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a. they ed around.
b. they found out.
c. "you have a nice day."
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