Official 2022 NBA Draft thread

[exstatic]

I wonder if the gulf between Duren and Williams is as wide as we think. The main driver for Duren > Williams seems to be age (18.5 v 20), but if you line their metrics up it seems Williams is on the level or in some cases better:

https://www.tankathon.com/players/co...-mark-williams

This would also suggest to me that they’re moving Jakob soon, and prefer the more plug and play of the two. That’s Williams.

We’re not a playoff team, so picking the more plug and play option and leaving that upside on the table is probably the worst thing we can do.

[BatManu20]

Future Houston Rocket legend Paulo Banchero.

[BatManu20]

Future Spurs legend Dyson Daniels.

[mo7888]

Personally I’d include him in a trade to move up. There are several prospects in this draft that Spurs could target

I'm not sure anyone above us needs a win now C...

[Degoat]

Future Spurs legend Dyson Daniels.

Brinking quite a few 3s lmao he’s still one of my top 3 choices tho

[BatManu20]

Brinking quite a few 3s lmao he’s still one of my top 3 choices tho

Yea his shooting is his biggest knock obviously. That’s why he might be available at 9. His shot is a bit slow and elongated, but if it goes in at a decent clip then he’ll be fine imo.

[BatManu20]

[Russ]

Is this guy his agent?

[John B]

My second choice after Davis if Spurs are targeting a two-way at 9, AGAIN if they would address the PF position with Eason/Sochan or someone similar by the end of the day.

[rascal]

I like Mark Williams and would be happy with the pick, but wouldn’t the wise thing be just to extend Jakob? He may not get the same opportunity on a different team, he’s making 9 mill/per year right now, just extend him and bump that salary up to 15-16 per year.

No, move him to Charlotte for 13 or 15.

[BatManu20]

No, move him to Charlotte for 13 or 15.

Why would Charlotte trade 13 for Jak when they can just take one of Williams or Duren and have them on a longer and much cheaper Rookie contract.

[Degoat]

No, move him to Charlotte for 13 or 15.

I think that’s a pipe dream to get those picks from Charlotte tbh I wish it was possible but picks are at an all time high in value. Maybe 15 for Jakob straight up but even that is unlikely

[duncan2150]

Duren may project as more mobile in defending the perimeter, but yes, Williams is outright the better of the two right now.

Yes for the mobility and with more touch outside the paint. Williams is strickly a paint guy while Duren attempted 51 shots outside the paint last year, Williams attempted just 14.

Williams is a better FT shooter 72% vs 62% but i think Duren's ceilling is higher.

[rascal]

Why would Charlotte trade 13 for Jak when they can just take one of Williams or Duren and have them on a longer and much cheaper Rookie contract.

Both Williams and Duren (especially if the spurs pick one)can be gone by 13.

[mo7888]

Why would Charlotte trade 13 for Jak when they can just take one of Williams or Duren and have them on a longer and much cheaper Rookie contract.

Because neither Duren or Williams will be nearly as good as Jak next season and they really want to push to win now.

[Dejounte]

Yes for the mobility and with more touch outside the paint. Williams is strickly a paint guy while Duren attempted 51 shots outside the paint last year, Williams attempted just 14.

Williams is a better FT shooter 72% vs 62% but i think Duren's ceilling is higher.

30-81 for a low 36.1% outside the paint for Duren. Might as well not attempted that many if you’re going to shoot that poorly

20-46 for Williams

I have yet to see folks acknowledge Duren’s floor whenever someone advocates for him. It’s always, “yeah, he’s mobile and he could turn out like Bam”. It’s almost like people are way too optimistic for guys they like.

[Russ]

It’s almost like people are way too optimistic for guys they like.

Yep.

[duncan2150]

30-81 for a low 36.1% outside the paint for Duren. Might as well not attempted that many if you’re going to shoot that poorly

20-46 for Williams

I have yet to see folks acknowledge Duren’s floor whenever someone advocates for him. It’s always, “yeah, he’s mobile and he could turn out like Bam”. It’s almost like people are way too optimistic for guys they like.

Sometimes it's like you talk alone or with somebody else in your head, i never talked about bam.

On another note i don't have the same numbers. https://cbbanalytics.com/tools/shot-charts where did you get yours ?

One try to shoot, the other don't that's it. I'm not buying Duren shooting now but the improvement was clearly there as thing progressed last year.

BTW it's just a comparaison between Duren and Williams, i think Duren ceilling is better, i don't say he will be an all star or something else...

[Dejounte]

Sometimes it's like you talk alone or with somebody else in your head, i never talked about bam.

On another note i don't have the same numbers. https://cbbanalytics.com/tools/shot-charts where did you get yours ?

One try to shoot, the other don't that's it. I'm not buying Duren shooting now but the improvement was clearly there as thing progressed last year.

BTW it's just a comparaison between Duren and Williams, i think Duren ceilling is better, i don't say he will be an all star or something else...

I got the numbers from barttovik

You don’t have to mention something in order for the other person to reference it. That’s not how conversations work.

[duncan2150]

I got the numbers from barttovik

You don’t have to mention something in order for the other person to reference it. That’s not how conversations work.

So let's talk about your numbers. I undertand the thing, you talked about shot a the rim ( within 4 feet of the rim) , different that in the PAINT my friend...

Outside the paint Williams took 14 jumpers in 39 games ( not mentionned also ) while Duren took 51 jumpers in 29 games.

I really don't understand what you want on this, Duren showed more potential outside the paint than Williams that's just what i want to said........

[Mr. Body]

Is this guy his agent?

I don't trust Givony since he works for ESPN now. They are well known for pushing their interests. Just reading that, it sounds like Dyson Daniels is a Klutch guy or similar. Anything out of ESPN is suspect.

[duncan2150]

To complete the thing about Spurs wanting a Center.

[John B]

To complete the thing about Spurs wanting a Center.

Are they getting a Center at 9 then move Poeltl? I wonder how they would do it. And whether it’s Duren or Williams

I would really hate it if Keldon is still the starting PF at the end of the day, and not took a crack at the available PF’s.

[duncan2150]

Are they getting a Center at 9 then move Poeltl? I wonder how they would do it. And whether it’s Duren or Williams

Except if Collins can play some 4, i think they will not take a C at 9 without moving Zach or Jakob imo. They had offers for Poetl in february and i think it will not be hard to trade him if they want.

Overall, i don't totally buy the rumors of the Spurs wanting a C at 9 tough i think the team needs a quality defensive big.

[Mr. Body]

IF the Spurs are into a center -- whether Duren or Williams -- for now they may be looking at Poeltl starting, new center back-up, with Collins or Landale paired with them.

We saw Landale and Collins playing together at the end of the season with some success. These sets aren't optimal on defense, but they may have to be what works for now at least in some situations.