Political Movie Review - What is a Woman?

[Monostradamus]

Pure, unadulterated evil what these gender ideology zealots are doing to confused, vulnerable kids.

I don’t know, this reads more like the kid knows her parents are super transphobic, and she was scared to come out to them.

Hiding the suicide attempts is 100% wrong though.

[Spurminator]

Suicide attempts before the groomer started telling her she was a man: 0
Suicide attempts after the groomer started telling her she was a man: 2

Nothing in your article suggests the counselor "told her she was a man" or encouraged it in any way. Sounds like you wanted the counselor to tell her she was full of and needed to get over it. I'm sure that would have been great for her mental health.

But by all means, go ahead and blame the parents.

Didn't blame the parents. It's not uncommon for kids to speak to counselors/teachers about subjects they're uncomfortable telling their parents about.

Also, if we're going to argue over what basic counselor/student privilege is, a suicide attempt that occurred during school isn't counselor/student privileged. You can't honestly be serious that the kid's 1st attempt to hang herself shouldn't be disclosed to the parents due to counselor/student privilege

Further, the counselor had no problems telling other teachers and faculty about the new name this girl would be adopting. You don't get to claim privilege over information you're busy gossiping about with the school's staff.

Where does it say the suicide attempt was a hanging? Now you're just making up. Maybe you should wait for more info before taking cues from alt-right trolls on Twitter and rushing to hyperbole. If the kid wanted the counselor's help with communicating and reenforcing their new iden y, that's still acceptable under privilege.

[spurraider21]

Suicide attempts before the groomer started telling her she was a man: 0
Suicide attempts after the groomer started telling her she was a man: 2

what do you think groomer means?

[SpursforSix]

One part love, one part wild
One part lady, one part child

Joe Elliott

[spurraider21]

I don’t know, this reads more like the kid knows her parents are super transphobic, and she was scared to come out to them.

Hiding the suicide attempts is 100% wrong though.

could be tough to disclose one without the other

my moral instinct is that the parents absolutely have the right to know about that kind of risk to their child's health. its unclear to me what the actual rules and policies are, though.

[Will Hunting]

I don’t know, this reads more like the kid knows her parents are super transphobic, and she was scared to come out to them.

Hiding the suicide attempts is 100% wrong though.

The article says the counselor started disclosing her new name and gender iden y to teachers and students without getting her consent.

Why are we pretending the counselor was trying to respect the wishes of the kid when the counselor literally ignored her wishes?

[spurraider21]

The article says the counselor started disclosing her new name and gender iden y to teachers and students without getting her consent.

Why are we pretending the counselor was trying to respect the wishes of the kid when the counselor literally ignored her wishes?

the article is repeating allegations made by the parents, not findings of fact.

i dont know why this story is suddenly getting picked up on now despite the fact that i can find articles about the suit going back to january 2022

if its true that they started revealing the student's new name/gender iden y to others in a public manner expressly against the student's desire, yeah, thats probably a problem on its own

[Will Hunting]

Nothing in your article suggests the counselor "told her she was a man" or encouraged it in any way. Sounds like you wanted the counselor to tell her she was full of and needed to get over it. I'm sure that would have been great for her mental health.

The article says that the counselor was disclosing the kid's new name and gender iden y to other teachers and students without ever getting her consent. Do you think that's wrong and if so, why are you defending the counselor?

Where does it say the suicide attempt was a hanging? Now you're just making up. Maybe you should wait for more info before taking cues from alt-right trolls on Twitter and rushing to hyperbole. If the kid wanted the counselor's help with communicating and reenforcing their new iden y, that's still acceptable under privilege.

the news story at the time said it was 2 suicide attempts in 2 days, both times being a hanging in the bathroom.

[Will Hunting]

the article is repeating allegations made by the parents, not findings of fact.

Do you think the parents are lying?

[Will Hunting]

what do you think groomer means?

someone who builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them

[SpursforSix]

what do you think groomer means?

I suppose this is off topic. I was going to post a joke pic but learned that you can buy Pubic Wigs online.

[spurraider21]

someone who builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them

and what is the manipulation, exploitation, or abuse here? the revealing of the new/iden y?

[Will Hunting]

and what is the manipulation, exploitation, or abuse here? the revealing of the new/iden y?

I'd say running around gossiping about how one of the students seeing you for counseling has a new name and gender iden y definitely falls into the bucket of exploitation

[spurraider21]

Do you think the parents are lying?

i have no independent knowledge of the facts other than what the parents have alleged. im not in a position to say that they are lying or that they are telling the truth. i have no issue with the lawsuit going through the regular discovery process or the school/district conducting an investigation into the allegations. if there were breaches of policy, protocol, etc, there should be ramifications

just based on my narrow reading of the article it would appear the parents have an axe to grind when it comes to transgenderism in general (to the point their own kid felt uncomfortable going to them, and preferred to speak with school counselors about the issue), so they could just be looking to blame the school for their child having gender iden y issues. like religious parents blaming a kids friends/environment if they turn out to be gay. but i dont know. i'm also not one who takes allegations in a complaint at face value

[spurraider21]

I'd say running around gossiping about how one of the students seeing you for counseling has a new name and gender iden y definitely falls into the bucket of exploitation

how is that exploitation? what benefit is the counselor getting?

[Monostradamus]

The article says the counselor started disclosing her new name and gender iden y to teachers and students without getting her consent.

Why are we pretending the counselor was trying to respect the wishes of the kid when the counselor literally ignored her wishes?

The article is also from genspect.org which within 5 minutes I could easily tell is a right wing transphobic site masquerading as a “we just want people to freely explore all options and be independent thinkers” group.

[Will Hunting]

how is that exploitation? what benefit is the counselor getting?

idk, maybe the counselor is a glutton for seeing teen girls suffer, certainly seems like it given the jealous path to suicide the counselor managed to send this girl on.

[Spurminator]

The article says that the counselor was disclosing the kid's new name and gender iden y to other teachers and students without ever getting her consent. Do you think that's wrong and if so, why are you defending the counselor?

The article says the lawsuit states the counselor was disclosing the kid's new name and gender iden y to other teachers and students without ever getting her consent. I've learned not to take claims in a lawsuit at face value, particularly claims made by children with mental health issues.

The counselor should absolutely not disclose those private discussions with other staff members without the student's consent.

I don't have enough information to defend or condemn the counselor. For all I know, "disclosing the kid's new name and gender iden y to other teachers and students" could just as easily mean the counselor was mocking the kid behind their back, and if that's the case, roll 'em.

[Will Hunting]

The article is also from genspect.org which within 5 minutes I could easily tell is a right wing transphobic site masquerading as a “we just want people to freely explore all options and be independent thinkers” group.

https://tallahasseereports.com/wp-co...led-101821.pdf

the lawsuit makes pretty specific allegations about emails between the counselor and the teachers about the student's gender iden y.

[spurraider21]

student's dad and his attorney went on Laura Igraham's show a while ago and yeah, basically said they wanted to be able to raise their kid according to their catholic faith. which is to say they were not going to accept their kid's transgender iden y, and would explain why the kid did not want the parents informed

[spurraider21]

idk, maybe the counselor is a glutton for seeing teen girls suffer, certainly seems like it given the jealous path to suicide the counselor managed to send this girl on.

you dont know, maybe

gotcha

the theory here is that the student was exploited because the counselor received the benefit of getting off on seeing a teenager suffer. interesting theory.

honestly, if a counselor enjoyed seeing trans kids suffer humiliation, i wouldnt really think that counselor is pro trans at all. probably a false flag based on your theory tbqh. anti trans activist posing as a pro trans counselor to make them look bad. the perfect crime.

[Will Hunting]

you dont know, maybe

gotcha

the theory here is that the student was exploited because the counselor received the benefit of getting off on seeing a teenager suffer. interesting theory.

honestly, if a counselor enjoyed seeing trans kids suffer humiliation, i wouldnt really think that counselor is pro trans at all. probably a false flag based on your theory tbqh. anti trans activist posing as a pro trans counselor to make them look bad. the perfect crime.

you're legit trying to split hairs over what exploitation means in defense of a counselor going behind a kid's back and humiliating her

[spurraider21]

you're legit trying to split hairs over what exploitation means in defense of a counselor going behind a kid's back and humiliating her

nah i just take offense with people loosely throwing "groomer" around at literally anybody tangentially related to transgenderism

the term groomer has a pretty heavy connotation, and people will typically associate that term with some type of sexual abuse. people using the term flippantly are part of a big problem, imho

[spurraider21]

you're legit trying to split hairs over what exploitation means in defense of a counselor going behind a kid's back and humiliating her

you're legit arguing that the super pro trans counselor takes pleasure in seeing trans kids suffer public humiliation over their being trans, which is a pretty strong contradiction

[Monostradamus]

nah i just take offense with people loosely throwing "groomer" around at literally anybody tangentially related to transgenderism

the term groomer has a pretty heavy connotation, and people will typically associate that term with some type of sexual abuse. people using the term flippantly are part of a big problem

These are the same people who took words like “SJW” “woke” “triggered”, & “fake news”, completely redefined those terms, and beat them into the ground until everyone wants to vomit when some 72 year old lady at the grocery store whines about wokeness.

At this point “groomer” is gone too, they’re redefined it, it just means anybody who thinks trans people deserve to live.