I am somewhat an expert in schizophrenia, relatively speaking, though still learning, and it seems unlikely Primo has this disorder. Also, you can have psychotic symptoms (related to substance use or trauma) but not have schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is divided into positive symptoms (symptoms that are added from schizophrenia—hallucinations and delusions mostly) and negative symptoms (aspects that are taken away from schizophrenia, usually leading to a flat affect, dulled cognition, confusion, and inertia). From afar, Primo doesn’t seem to have negative symptoms. He could have positive symptoms like voices or delusions compelling him to exhibit, but I’ve never personally seen an example of that.
Starting with Exhibitionism (which literally seems to be what’s going on) is a good start: https://www.merckmanuals.com/profess...istic-disorder
Schizophrenia can be mild but typically not so much in the USA. Due to lack of acceptance and cultural values, yhis is probably the worst place in the world to have it. Sub Saharan Africa, the best.
Treatments are still a work in progress and usually are started too late. The most effective medication for schizophrenia, Clozaril, unfortunately is also deadly because it can lower your white blood cell count and you have to get labs frequently.
Anyway. Primo may just have a paraphilia disorder, but sadly only his victim, the psychologist, knows for sure, and now she’s suing him.
We are ing way down a rabbit hole here.
Dude has a kink. Likes to expose himself or be watched. Simple run of the mill thrill.
He got popped being too open and loose with his kink.
This dude isn’t a schitzo. He’s a super horny 19 year old.
ST over ANALyzing as usual.
This is a fascinating aspect of this whole thing. If Primo had some past trauma a diagnosed disorder of some kind, it puts the therapist in an interesting position. I am not claiming to have any experience or knowledge of this, I’m just thinking through it… but I don’t think a doctor would press charges or file suit against a patient who suffers from some kind of disorder (autism, for example) that may manifest itself in physical altercation. (Hopefully someone with direct knowledge can address this).
So this puts the therapist in a unique position. On one hand, she is suing (we assume) Primo and the Spurs for… something we don’t know yet (interestingly she is not attempting to press charges and as far as we know no police report has even been filed). If Primo’s actions were the result of some diagnosed condition, she would be the person best suited to testify to that… but she’s conflicted in that regard because she is suing, thus providing her the incentive to downplay any condition Primo may have.
Which leads to what many others have suggested, maybe she isn’t going after Primo at all but rather the Spurs for… something, we don’t yet know. I find it hard to believe though that the Spurs would not have protocols and SOPs in place for how to deal with workplace incidents and would be so foolish as to have wonton disregard for employee safety to the degree to leave them liable for the actions of one of their players.
I still stand by my hypothesis… the therapist reported an incident to the Spurs… they had an investigation performed which came back inconclusive, which caused her to quit. More incidents came to light and now there is cause for the damaged party to say “I brought this to light and the Spurs did nothing, so they are liable for everything that happened”. I believe that accusation is more damaging from a PR perspective than a legal perspective though. So long as an investigation was carried out properly, the Spurs would have little to no liability for not taking action on an incident they could not verify.
These situations are difficult and really SUCK from the company perspective. When one employee alleges an incident, these are the most likely outcomes of an investigation:
- Investigation conclusively verifies the allegation. You appropriate discipline the offending party and make the appropriate moves to protect the victim against retaliation/further exposure if the discipline fall short of termination. This is the cleanest scenario.
- Investigation is inconclusive or cannot credibly verify the incident. This is usually does not end in the victim saying “oh , I must have been mistaken, thanks for looking into it.” Instead this typically leads to a LOT of hard feelings, many times it leads in the victim leaving. What you don’t want to do as a company is apply unjust punishment to the alleged perp (a suspension may be appropriate as often you can pin them for something else than the alleged incident - at the very least of not acting in a manner consistent with the expectations of their position). If you discipline too hard, you face being accused of unlawful termination (even if you don’t terminate).
The worst case scenarios for the Spurs, neither of which I think is likely because I think they are too smart for this as an organization:
- They investigated the incident, it was confirmed, and they did nothing to Primo. That’s bad.
- They retaliated against the therapist by terminating or not renewing her contact as a way to solve the problem (if you can’t work with Primo, we understand… I guess you can’t work here). The more I think of it… this might be the angle. Which would also be very bad.
Companies the size of SS&E don’t typically make these kind of boneheaded mistakes in 2022… but sometimes they do…
Only Sochan and Collins would necessarily deserve minutes over Jones, but I view his inclusion as equal parts filler/flyer.
The trade would be more so about significantly increasing the chances of getting a quality pick within' the next few years.
That was then. The Pelicans have their best team in 15 years and Valanciunas is a good enough fit (clearly the ideal one is a floor spacing rim protector) to get by.
Ok but theres no, “i told you so“ lawsuit!. Obv thursday is the cake and party, but why all you people trying to implicate the Spurs in a Dallas or Pen state style failures. I still think “we know hes a pervert but lets market him as a star and pick up his option“ doesn't pass the smell tests but most of the SPURS ARE DOOMed takes depend on that being true
We don't know if there are going to be any revelations. All it would take for this to go from minor to existential is another staffer or two that testifies Primo accosted them after the psychologist made the organization aware of what happened. It would be weird to me if there were other folks Buzbee knew about that he was keeping under his hat, since those folks would likely want to be paid too. But I'm not sure if paying an unnamed person in that type of situation is something that would be disclosed or not. If they can show Pop and the other execs knew and either did nothing or helped cover it up and as a result let other women get flashed, it would be really bad. That revelation doesn't seem likely. But the ESPN article does list multiple allegations that motivated the Spurs' decision. A lot of us assume it's the hotel worker and the psychologist. But it could be others, including others who only got flashed because the Spurs didn't address the situation.
Pops fault why Primo got in trouble. Kid just want more playing time.
Off the top of my head, don’t the spurs have greater liability if they take an adverse employment action against Primo if Primo has a diagnosed mental condition? I don’t pretend to know how the CBA deals with that issue, but off the cuff, what they did doesn’t jive with a player having a mental disorder.
The “I told you so” is a precursor to other actions to which the victim would claim damages. “I told you so, and you retaliated by firing me” or “I told you so and your reaction was boys will be boys and you continued to direct me to be in harms way against my wishes (thereby causing my effective wrongful termination)”
We also know anyone can sue for anything at anytime. Most plaintiff attorney’s don’t waste their time (and in fact can be slapped down by the courts) for filing frivolous lawsuits, but even if the therapist felt truly aggrieved in some reasonable way, this rises above the hurdle of frivolity. Especially if the goal of the plaintiff and their attorney is a settlement - that will be strongly pushed for ahead of the motion to dismiss phase, and I’ve seen cases where employers settle for weaker cases that even the weakest scenario we can envision.
Maybe there is a CBA issue, but I don’t think there is a general employment law issue. The adverse employment action wasn’t taken because Primo has a mental condition, it is because he violated some other policy - it doesn’t matter if his mental condition made him do it.
so there were 3 instances where Primo pulled out. The question is the timeline
By extension we also got a nice young branham.
Where is that info from?
Yes, agreed. The wording of the media advisory makes it clear that Buzbee has a few bones to pick with the Spurs and he’s going to air those grievances. This is a leverage play, and it looks really bad for the Spurs FO. Why not just come to terms when the demand letter was sent? This is a pretty open and shut case.
The Ringer's The Mismatch Podcast 1:12:00
Chris Vernon said it on there
Not a question of team policy, Primo violated the terms of his player contract, which contains a morals clause.
If the Minnesota hotel story is true, and if he only did it once with the psychologist, then 2 are accounted for, right?
If that is the case, why isn't he fired instead of waived.
The Spurs would have to explain why they did what they did. But a reason to terminate him would also have justified any lesser action, at the team’s discretion.
P.S. I’ll hazard a guess that waiver was the quickest and surest way to be rid of him, since it’s so well established in the NBA.
Last edited by JeffDuncan; 11-02-2022 at 09:46 AM.
I would think so, yes
Is it known under what cir stances Hillary and the Spurs parted ways?
Oh to have dirt on Buzbee.
Is it known if the prep school thing really happened. Like could he have “exposed” himself to the therapist by admitting an act from school. Yet not actually having flashed the therapist. She brings it up to front office and they claim not to have found anything in predraft. Then the hotel thing happens.?
Sorry for a stupid question/s but is Primo's career over in NBA? And/or with the Spurs?
Is there gonna be a trial? If he'll be cleared, is the Spurs still interested to sign him back or the organization is not interested anymore?
The reason why I'm asking is because it's a bit similar with Kobe's situation (rape accusation) before but it's not like Josh touched the victim/s, AFAIK.
Obviously he's not Kobe and Josh still a no name player so there's not much immunity on his part but I'm not sure how grave is his case in San Antonio, Texas.
Or is the NBA and the organization are being strict lately given with Miles' situation lately but Miles' situation is more serious.
I'm not saying what Josh did is okay and it's wrong but I'm quite curious as well if this happen to a player like Keldon or Devin if there'll be a double-standard.
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