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doesn't Trump have his own 757? maybe he'll just leave the country if things start looking grim.
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I think there is a pretty good chance he goes to jail. I dont think there is a plea where he admits he was wrong and then agrees to just shut the up and get out of politics. His narcissism won't allow it.
doesn't Trump have his own 757? maybe he'll just leave the country if things start looking grim.
Hopefully goes to the same jail Epstein visited.
His ego won't allow that. He will go down in flames first and try to take the country with him. He is one toxic asshole.
I don't think a prosecutor could even go for a promise not to run for office as that would almost basically be an admission this is about politics kinda. Maybe spurraider21 could comment on the legality of it but seems fishy
Not unless he has to.
Pence is the only surprise here.
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ive only dealt with one crim case in my time and it was a fairly straightforward plea deal with probation, res ution to be paid, etc, so do not take me to be an expert on this subject, especially when it comes to federal stuff and not state stuff
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when you enter into a plea agreement, the defendant still pleads guilty to some crime, and the judge will sentence the defendant pursuant to the terms of the plea deal. im not certain if disqualification from public office could be part of a legally valid sentencing structure. considering it was written into the 14th amendment, its plausible though. but again, i've rarely tried cons utional matters except some first amendment stuff, but thats not a huge part of what i do
I think he's just more stale than cognitive decline at this point.
His political career trajectory is more like Russell Wilson after the legion of boom got injured and left as opposed to say Brady for instance. "The Pick!" was Trump's 2020.
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Unless he is forced to do house arrest instead of prison time, which would be the best bet. In such a case if he can't physically leave Florida then he can't realistically run for president.
I can't see it. If he stole from billionaires like Elizabeth Holmes did then maybe he'd go to prison, but that's about the only thing short of murder that's illegal when you're rich.
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we all saw it with our own eyes
he aided and abetted the insurrectionists after they attacked the capitol
trump thanked them, told them he loved them and wrote a tweet saying “this is what happens when you blah-blah from patriots blah blah”
that is a crime we all witnessed, the media recorded it and reported it and it can never be erased.
if the DOJ does not have the balls to prosecute this slam dunk of criminal evidence in plain view of the entire planet-
then We have no democracy, no country, and all bets are off
Darrin, did you buy those superhero NFT cards or whatever the fvck it was?
Yeah I agree with this. I can't think of any reason why a plea agreement forbidding him from running for office would be illegal (particularly if he's also admitting wrongdoing that would make him unfit for office), but no prosecutor (particularly one competent enough to be leading the DOJ's prosecution of Trump) would ever put their name on something so overtly political.
The other issue with a plea agreement is that Trump has countless matters he's dealing with across several jurisdictions. A plea agreement with say the DOJ is less appealing when he'll still have New York, Georgia and all the civil suits to deal with. If there was a plea agreement Trump could sign to make all of his legal problems go away such that he could live out his days in Mar a Lago in peace selling overpriced hotel rooms and resort packages to MAGAboomers he'd probably be very interested, but such an agreement doesn't exist. So what if he settles with the DOJ when he'll still have the NY State civil suit, the Georgia criminal charges & private civil suits to deal with? At that point his mindset is probably why do anything to create the appearance of guilt when I've still got 5 more court battles to fight.
That's one poll. I've seen other polls from reputable pollsters where DeSantis is smoking him (albeit I question whether those polls are being conducted with an agenda already in mind).Not unless he has to.
Pence is the only surprise here.
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He can get 35-40% of the GOP primary vote in his sleep, so I agree that he's favored in a scenario where the whole clown car of DeSantis, Mike Penis, Nimrata Haley, fat Larry Hogan and Pompeo runs and cannibalizes each other's votes, but I don't think Trump would be able to coast to an easy primary win in a scenario where the GOP establishment manages to clear the field for DeSantis & gets the Murdoch media machine to completely turn on Trump.
If Trump also goes full re and announces Kari Lake as his VP way ahead of time that hurts him. Lake is 10x crazier than Trump and will scare away any primary voter who's on the fence. It can't be overstated how pathetic it was for Lake to not win that governor race against a hilariously cringe opponent who was too scared to campaign. If it was Greg Stanton running instead of Hobbs, Stanton beats Lake by a larger margin than Kelly beat Masters by.
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There's an obvious way that a hypothetical plea deal can prevent Trump from holding office without it necessarily being "political" on paper. The news has emphasized the fact that a conviction for the inciting or assisting an insurrection charge cons utionally disqualifies that person from holding office.
They can offer Trump a sweetheart plea deal, no jail time, drop the other three charges, but he has to plea to the insurrection charge. That way, it's not the prosecutors who are banning him from the presidency. It's the cons ution that is. People can read in between the lines and still claim it's political. And sure, Trump likely wouldn't agree to it. But that's potentially how they could do it.
He will never take any plea deal that requires a public admission of guilt or admission of defeat. Full stop.
I think he can be convinced not to run but that entire negotiation will happen behind closed doors.
Why give a criminal a plea deal?
Why CONVINCE him of anything?
Indict and prosecute the piece of with the DAMNING EVIDENCE-period.
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If it's between not getting to run for political office again but keeping his premium quality of life and not wearing orange and eating meat sandwiches in a prison cell until if he's lucky enough to live to 90, then sure he would agree to it.
I call her Nimrata Randhawa too but in fairness Haley is just her married last name so her using it is normal.Good post
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But her going by Nikki instead of Nimrata is 100% just her wanting to be more white
Trump won't spend a day in prison. He'll get Epstein'd before that imho
Both are, imo. Just because the greasy armpit-smelling Motel 6 IT helpdesk support lady with the bindu dot marries the incel white guy who lives in his parents' basement because she can't get a green card anywhere else and he can't get laid anywhere else doesn't mean she gets to go by a white name and get white privilege.I call her Nimrata Randhawa too but in fairness Haley is just her married last name so her using it is normal.
But her going by Nikki instead of Nimrata is 100% just her wanting to be more white
she was born in the US, she didn’t marry him for a green card
Her converting from Sikh to Christianity is hilarious though. She sold out her entire heritage just to win whitey over
Exactly.Her converting from Sikh to Christianity is hilarious though. She sold out her entire heritage just to win whitey over
Plus, her daughter is a snicker licker
lol will and andy palling around over their shared racism
Nimrata Randhawa deserves it
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