Spurs Front Office "Extremely Busy" After Kyrie Irving Asks For Trade

[baseline bum]

The trade can go through Utah. There are other options.

Utah is $10 million over the cap. They can't absorb Westbrook.

[DPG21920]

What is the only contract we’re getting with your trade ?

WB deal is a nothing contract for the Spurs. I am asking why you think its ty?

[DPG21920]

Exactly, let’s stay focused here.

Thanks to Timvp for this. The two new nuggets here are:

1. BKNs interest in Collins;
2. LAC offering a pick for spurs to eat bad money in 3 way deal

Let’s also not discount the CHA pick (basically 2 seconds) being used here to grease the gears.

3. That SA has “multiple” players BKY finds valuable in addition to being interested in saving money. If both are true definitely leans SA having a great shot at being involved

[Ariel]

I think the base template of a 3 way trade should be the smallest possible trade that meets most criteria. I keep coming to something like this:
Spurs: IN Westbrook (LAL) | OUT Richardson (BKN) + Zach Collins (BKN) + McDermott (LAL)
Brooklyn: IN Richardson (SAN) + Zach Collins (SAN) | OUT: Irving (LAL)
Lakers: IN Irving (BKN) + McDermott (SAN) | OUT: Westbrook (SAN)
Basically:
Lakers: get Kyrie and McDermott, take in only 3.7M extra this year (36.9 + 13.8 - 47) and 14M next
Spurs take in 13.6M in salary in '23 (47 - 13.8 - 12.2 - 7.4) but avoid 13.8M in '24 (kind of neutral), and only give up players on expiring or net neutral contracts
Brooklyn: sheds 17.3M this year and avoids 3 times as much in tax (approx.), doesn't take on larger contracts.

IMO in this scenario the Lakers should part with 2 unprotected picks at least, the Nets should receive 1 extra player or pick for it to be worth it, and we should get 2 picks.
There are several variations
we get one unprotected pick from LAL and Brooklyn the other (most direct scenario)
we get both unprotected picks from LAL and give value to Brooklyn by way of the Charlotte pick, plus a few 2nd rounders or Tre Jones.
Maybe Poeltl goes to a third team that sends a player to the Nets and we get extra draft capital.

IMO those are the possible alternatives that could have us involved in a 3 way trade with Brooklyn and the Lakers.

[baseline bum]

3. That SA has “multiple” players BKY finds valuable in addition to being interested in saving money. If both are true definitely leans SA having a great shot at being involved

And the Spurs have way better leverage to come out with the best piece outside of Irving in this deal. Brooklyn has to get something done or they get nothing plus have to deal with the luxury tax from Irving's contract while he stays home and pouts.

[CGD]

3. That SA has “multiple” players BKY finds valuable in addition to being interested in saving money. If both are true definitely leans SA having a great shot at being involved

Yeah, though a assumed that meant Collins and Richardson. Suppose it could also include Romeo who is expiring at the end of the year, or Jakob but seems weird to want both he and Collins.

Maybe Tre as you’ve been suggesting as well?

[offset formation]

Exactly, let’s stay focused here.

Thanks to Timvp for this. The two new nuggets here are:

1. BKNs interest in Collins;
2. LAC offering a pick for spurs to eat bad money in 3 way deal

Let’s also not discount the CHA pick (basically 2 seconds) being used here to grease the gears.

And another reminder just how miserable these superstars can make your franchise over night. For all their upside, there is a bunch of downside having those fools on your team, too.

See neph, Lebron leaving Cleveland, Harden (twice), Kyrazie, KD, etc, etc.

[baseline bum]

And another reminder just how miserable these superstars can make your franchise over night. For all their upside, there is a bunch of downside having those fools on your team, too.

See neph, Lebron leaving Cleveland, Harden (twice), Kyrazie, KD, etc, etc.

I don't blame Harden for forcing his way out of Brooklyn, that was all on Irving's antivax gotry.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, though a assumed that meant Collins and Richardson. Suppose it could also include Romeo who is expiring at the end of the year, or Jakob but seems weird to want both he and Collins.

Maybe Tre as you’ve been suggesting as well?

That was my thought….especially if they need a PG (which depending on how they feel about Cam Thomas who just had a monster game they might.

[CGD]

I suppose if im BKN and I really want to prioritize players in this deal, I’m ranking the realistically movable pieces from both Laker and Spurs rosters and demanding 3 or 4.

Who do we think that is and in what order?

Jakob
Richardson
Max Christie
Collins
Reaves
Romeo

If the spurs were willing to make Tre available I supposed he’d catapult to 2.

[DPG21920]

And another side note: Obviously Spurs and Marks are VERY close right? Has to account for something along with the fact that after Harden and especially Kyrie, BKY may be valuing the CREAM more than anything at the moment.

[baseline bum]

I suppose if im BKN and I really want to prioritize players in this deal, I’m ranking the realistically movable pieces from both Laker and Spurs rosters and demanding 3 or 4.

Who do we think that is and in what order?

Jakob
Richardson
Max Christie
Collins
Reaves
Romeo

If the spurs were willing to make Tre available I supposed he’d catapult to 2.

They don't have the leverage to demand Poeltl unless the Spurs get both Lakers picks unprotected.

[Robz4000]

Get on the train y’all! My Spurs deal is going down and I want to be engraved in the SpursTalk fake trade that mostly happened hall of fame with some of the legends that came before me

If tspence reports it, it's true tbh.

[scott]

Because of Doug. Spurs would be shedding his guaranteed money next year, opening up that much more cap space and can run this same game again renting out their cap space (not +13M since Doug is off books) to get more assets.

I think you are overvaluing the impact of not having Doug on the books next year. We have so much cap space anyway next season, that freeing up Doug's salary doesn't really give us that many more options (and the Spurs might actually see some value in having Doug on the team, even if ST.com doesn't).

It's kind of like being a billionaire with tons of free, liquid assets and thinking about buying a Lambo. Sure, you could sell your Corvette which would in theory give you some more cash to buy that Lambo... but you already have enough cash for it, so selling the Vette is kind of irrelevant.

[Dejounte]

I think you are overvaluing the impact of not having Doug on the books next year. We have so much cap space anyway next season, that freeing up Doug's salary doesn't really give us that many more options (and the Spurs might actually see some value in having Doug on the team, even if ST.com doesn't).

It's kind of like being a billionaire with tons of free, liquid assets and thinking about buying a Lambo. Sure, you could sell your Corvette which would in theory give you some more cash to buy that Lambo... but you already have enough cash for it, so selling the Vette is kind of irrelevant.

Some people are “Anybody-but-Doug” at all costs even if makes no sense.

[DPG21920]

Some people are “Anybody-but-Doug” at all costs even if makes no sense.

Lol it makes total sense - even in Timvps post there is interest in josh and Doug and yes, even though it might not make a big difference, it is a difference and allows SA to reset Doug and easily find a player with that money that fits better longer term.

[Mr. Body]

Utah is $10 million over the cap. They can't absorb Westbrook.

They would trade players.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

They would trade players.

Indeed, and they have players that fit the Nets much better. The only obstacle would be Ainge being obsessed with ‘winning’ trades.

[DPG21920]

Me: I hated the Doug signing the moment it happened

ST: DPG, everyone hated it man

Me: Spurs should be opportunistic and look to get out of Dougs deal especially if they will be net winners of picks in a deal as I still hated Doug signing and nothing he’s done has made me feel any different

ST: Dude! Stop trying to trade Doug for no reason! He’s great here!

[baseline bum]

They would trade players.

Which means they can't offer Brooklyn the enormous luxury tax savings the Spurs can.

[DPG21920]

Indeed, and they have players that fit the Nets much better. The only obstacle would be Ainge being obsessed in ‘winning’ trades.

Conley and Beasley don’t fit the Nets better IMO and arent more talented unless you have Clarkson going to Nets instead of LA. But absolutely point remains SA is not needed to make a deal for BKY

[ace3g]

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BREAKING: The Brooklyn Nets are trading Kyrie Irving to the Dallas Mavericks for Spencer Dinwiddie, Dorian Finney-Smith, a first-round and multiple second-round picks, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

[cjw]

The hold up may be how absorbing WBs contract is being argued by LAL as a benefit to SA in the context of SA needing to meet the salary floor.

If LAL can successfully argue these benefits to SA, it might convince SA to ask for less value back in return (read, number of FRPs SA receives)

There are 28 other teams that can dump salary to the Spurs to meet a floor

The Spurs can pick up guys off waivers if they want to meet a floor

This is nothing more than the Lakers FO being delusional and thinking a guy who should be out of the league making $40 million is an asset

[Robz4000]

Welp, that's that.

[MannyIsGod]

Welp ��