Shams: J-Rich to the Pelicans

[KingKev]

Good to know Vassell and Keldon are worth aprrox 7 SRPs combined.

[heyheymymy]

The first picks resource link also appears to be missing the 2028 MIA 2RP yet the page looks updated as of 11 am this morning the 9th

[heyheymymy]

i always liked this resource to look at all the future pick movement. hasnt updated today yet following the richardson trade

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/dr...rafts/detailed

I use a combo of that one and this one https://www.prosportstransactions.co...ture/Spurs.htm

both are kinda hard to read lol - we need a better way of breaking down the picks future of teams

[jjspur]

I think the roster gonna appreciate their bonus check especially the players on the low end of the salary cap. Not a complete loss.

Wish I would have said that ... oh wait I did...last week. Spurs have a conservative front office who does most of its work during the off season. Surprised they made this many moves but it wasn't anything terribly radical. They traded who they really had to but not much else. At least they didn't let our impending free agents walk for nothing.

During the summer it may be a different story.

[Kevin]

i thought if we could get a first for thad last year it was pretty reasonable to get a comparable pick for richardson. richardson right now is better than young, anyway

I recall LJ saying in one of his articles last summer that the Spurs had lotto protected first rounders on the table for J-Rich. Looking bad they should have taken one of those offers. Oh well. Hard to predict since drastic market changes.

[KingKev]

I recall LJ saying in one of his articles last summer that the Spurs had lotto protected first rounders on the table for J-Rich. Looking bad they should have taken one of those offers. Oh well. Hard to predict since drastic market changes.

JRich isn’t very good. If he was worth that Boston would have traded him for value instead of a throw in.

[DPG21920]

Salary cap space couldn't net anything of note this year even though they were the only team with cap space. Why, then, continue to horde it? The Spurs will still have plenty of space.

Quick calculation tells me the Spurs will still have like $50+ million in cap space even with Birch and Graham. How much cap space you want them to have, tbh?

Add in all their expirings next year (McDermott, Birch, Collins, etc.) and the Spurs have like $90 million in easily tradeable assets (cap space + expirings).

I get wanting to horde cap space .... but, man, it's not like the Spurs lost a notable amount of flexibility. As I've been saying, the Spurs will still have more cap space than they'll know what to do with until at least the 2024-25 season.

I guess I dont see it that way (at least not totally). Like big picture I agree that SA still has space and thats why I say it’s not a massive mistake or grave consequences. But looking at it as is and evaluating the value? It’s not good.

Did NO a massive favor (improved their team and cleared their books) for what? Is that really better than having Josh walk for nothing? I dont think so personally. They already have too many 2nds IMO. So they didnt gain anything. THey can even make all the picks lol.

Jak was a great job, but it was quite literally FREE MONEY to get to salary floor and they couldn’t find any deal? Could not have budged way into Lakers deal when that was offered earlier in season?

They held onto all the vets ,hurt their value and definitely missed out on deals that were there earlier in off season etc..

[Seventyniner]

Actually, it’s crap,as it only shows the first year protections, and doesn’t show how many cracks we get at the pick, and the loosening of the protections. It’s also not real world, because our three draft cycles for the Chicago pick may not start until 2026 if Chicago jumps into the top 4, keeps their pick, and conveys toOrlando in2024.

You're right, I didn't pay close enough attention. I just liked the layout.

The RealGM one is certainly the most detailed, it's just cluttered.

[rascal]

JRich isn’t very good. If he was worth that Boston would have traded him for value instead of a throw in.

Agree ST way over rated his value.

It was a non move bringing in little value and losing little value.

[DPG21920]

Sure, if they can flip Doug and Graham next year for + assets as expiring that is great - I’m just in a little bit of shock that SA couldn’t take advantage of free money when they had no compe ion and that they settled on the Josh deal for that package. Like play hard ball, demand a first by offering them 2nds and if they say no? Walk away lol. You dont have to help NO.

But Jak was a great job and all that matters IMO. I’m just talking semantics and details here…

[spurraider21]

I recall LJ saying in one of his articles last summer that the Spurs had lotto protected first rounders on the table for J-Rich. Looking bad they should have taken one of those offers. Oh well. Hard to predict since drastic market changes.

yikes if true

[KingKev]

Agree ST way over rated his value.

It was a non move bringing in little value and losing little value.

While we are in reality check mode Josh Richardson, Devin Vassell and Keldon Johnson are of similar talent levels.

[DPG21920]

I screamed to trade Jak/Doug/Rich in off season - to be more serious about taking on WB etc…they did miss out it’s hard to argue this IMO. But again,they avoided any massive mistakes which is great and all that matters. I just want this FO razor sharp and maximizing every single drop (But I’m not ing big picture - I’m happy)

[Seventyniner]

I didn't pay close enough attention to the Pelicans' outgoing seconds. I had only looked at incoming and saw they're getting Chicago's second in 2024.

The Pelicans owe:

• 2023: 31-45 protected 2nd to the Hawks
• 2025: unprotected 2nd to the Grizzlies
• 2026: second round pick swap to the Pistons
  
  • The Pistons get the better of the Pelicans and Blazers second that year, the Pelicans get the worse
  
  
• 2027: unprotected 2nd to the Blazers

It looks like the four 2nds the Spurs are getting will have to come from the Pelicans' own in 2024/2028/2029, the Bulls in 2024, and maybe the pick swap rights in 2026 above. Technically the Pelicans could have included their 2023 second if it falls in the 31-45 range too.

[KingKev]

I screamed to trade Jak/Doug/Rich in off season - to be more serious about taking on WB etc…they did miss out it’s hard to argue this IMO. But again,they avoided any massive mistakes which is great and all that matters. I just want this FO razor sharp and maximizing every single drop (But I’m not ing big picture - I’m happy)

They clearly never had much value.

[Atl Spur]

Derrick White trade has been plenty fruitful! Check those #’s / resources gained.

[Mnky]

They sent the guys where they preferred to go. Guys who were leaving for nothing in the summer. Got picks and another asset to possibly move or just release. They did great. They didn't lose anything, increased their lottery chances, and gained assets. People over value things. There's a reason the pacers ate their cap space with Turner. The market wasn't there to sell it. It's always hard for people to realize, standing pat is better than making a bad move just to make a move.

A win is a win.

[rascal]

They sent the guys where they preferred to go. Guys who were leaving for nothing in the summer. Got picks and another asset to possibly move or just release. They did great. They didn't lose anything, increased their lottery chances, and gained assets. People over value things. There's a reason the pacers ate their cap space with Turner. The market wasn't there to sell it. It's always hard for people to realize, standing pat is better than making a bad move just to make a move.

A win is a win.

Spurs fo can't afford to stand pat. They need to be aggressive and make good moves. Standing pat is considered a failure.

[Mnky]

Spurs fo can't afford to stand pat. They need to be aggressive and make good moves.

Because they're definitely competing for that ring..amirite.

[Ariel]

I didn't pay close enough attention to the Pelicans' outgoing seconds. I had only looked at incoming and saw they're getting Chicago's second in 2024.

The Pelicans owe:

• 2023: 31-45 protected 2nd to the Hawks
• 2025: unprotected 2nd to the Grizzlies
• 2026: second round pick swap to the Pistons
  
  • The Pistons get the better of the Pelicans and Blazers second that year, the Pelicans get the worse
  
  
• 2027: unprotected 2nd to the Blazers

It looks like the four 2nds the Spurs are getting will have to come from the Pelicans' own in 2024/2028/2029, the Bulls in 2024, and maybe the pick swap rights in 2026 above. Technically the Pelicans could have included their 2023 second if it falls in the 31-45 range too.

I think the list of Spurs future 2nd rounders goes something like this:

• 2023
  
  • Own (31-55, otherwise IND);
  • TOR;
• 2024
  
  • Own (31-55? otherwise BOS);
  • LAL;
  • best of CHI/NOLA
• 2025
  
  • Own;
  • CHI;
  • TOR
• 2026
  
  • Own (swap rights w/worse of IND/MIA)
  • worse of POR/NOLA
• 2027
  
  • Own;
  • worse of OKC/HOU/IND/MIA
• 2028
  
  • Own;
  • DEN (34-60);
  • MIA;
  • NOLA
• 2029
  
  • Own;
  • NOLA

Notes:

• Spurs '23 own was conditionally traded to Indiana in a range that's unfeasible (56-60) so it's listed without restrictions
• Spurs '24 own was conditionally traded to Boston in the Vonleh trade, but it's likely subject to a "fic ious" restriction (likely 56-60)

I think that's the easier recap.

[mo7888]

I guess I dont see it that way (at least not totally). Like big picture I agree that SA still has space and thats why I say it’s not a massive mistake or grave consequences. But looking at it as is and evaluating the value? It’s not good.

Did NO a massive favor (improved their team and cleared their books) for what? Is that really better than having Josh walk for nothing? I dont think so personally. They already have too many 2nds IMO. So they didnt gain anything. THey can even make all the picks lol.

Jak was a great job, but it was quite literally FREE MONEY to get to salary floor and they couldn’t find any deal? Could not have budged way into Lakers deal when that was offered earlier in season?

They held onto all the vets ,hurt their value and definitely missed out on deals that were there earlier in off season etc..

There's no such thing as to many 2nd's.... I thought the Nola trade was a great one for them and a good one for us... Graham gives us options + 4 picks vs options minus the 4 picks... in no world is there any opportunity cost here..

[DPG21920]

There's no such thing as to many 2nd's.... I thought the Nola trade was a great one for them and a good one for us... Graham gives us options + 4 picks vs options minus the 4 picks... in no world is there any opportunity cost here..

I do not agree with this…..but obviously some see it that way. I can maybe buy that it was not a “bad” trade. Tougher sell to tell me it was “good”. We will see next season I suppose.

[Atl Spur]

There's no such thing as to many 2nd's.... I thought the Nola trade was a great one for them and a good one for us... Graham gives us options + 4 picks vs options minus the 4 picks... in no world is there any opportunity cost here..

You stop that rational speech……. We missed out on a couple of 1st rounders . ��

[mo7888]

I do not agree with this…..but obviously some see it that way. I can maybe buy that it was not a “bad” trade. Tougher sell to tell me it was “good”. We will see next season I suppose.

I know you dint see it that way, but you haven't given a real argument to bolster your position...

[Atl Spur]

I do not agree with this…..but obviously some see it that way. I can maybe buy that it was not a “bad” trade. Tougher sell to tell me it was “good”. We will see next season I suppose.

If we hit on any of those 4 picks…… it was a good trade brother! Damn , I forgot graham busted our a** this year��