'23 SUPER BOWL: Eagles vs Chiefs

[Blake]

Could you name these other shows that said Mahomes played his 3 SB's on the lesser team and that his 2022 season was the best QB season ever? I literally heard no one other than Simms bring these points, and I've watched pretty much every sports show there is: First Take, First Thing's First, Max Kellerman, Florio, Stephen A. You name it.

For all three super bowls? No that part is just Simms opinion. Especially since KC was favored in two of the three, not sure how Simms can quantify the other two.

The other stuff Simms is saying is vanilla

[Blake]

3 Most Important Plays of the game
- Record setting Punt return
- Hurts 2Pt conversion
- Hurts fumble TD

None involving Mahomes. But Patrick did play a surprisingly very even keel game. He usually has more flashes but also a headscratcher.

MVP trophy was won right there

[Blake]

Bad calls maybe, but the Eagles defense still fell apart in the second half; really that simple for me.

And special teams

[DAF86]

Yes! I have heard at least a couple of times about how the Eagles were better on paper. I don't remember them delving into stats but they did mention that he's the only QB since Warner to get a regular season MVP and be in the Super Bowl. Honestly, I haven't heard a negative thing about him. It's all been about how he might be the best QB we'll see. And everyone seems to acknowledge that his WR corps is pretty bad. I don't think it's as bad as they say if Moore and Tony progresses.

You're trying to make a really weird point that doesn't exist imo.

Neither of the things you mentioned are exactly the same as saying "Mahomes has been on the lesser team on every SB he played" and "Mahomes just had the best season for a QB ever".

I know, because I heard all the other things you are saying but I never really put into persepective the rarity of what Mahomes is accomplishing untill I heard Chris Simms mention those points in that specific way.

[DAF86]

3 Most Important Plays of the game
- Record setting Punt return
- Hurts 2Pt conversion
- Hurts fumble TD

None involving Mahomes. But Patrick did play a surprisingly very even keel game. He usually has more flashes but also a headscratcher.

You are forgetting Mahomes 20 something yards scramble to put the Chiefs in field position to hit what ended up being the game winning FG.

[DAF86]

For all three super bowls? No that part is just Simms opinion. Especially since KC was favored in two of the three, not sure how Simms can quantify the other two.

The other stuff Simms is saying is vanilla

KC was favoured in those SBs because of Mahomes, not for having the more complete team. That's exactly the point. Switch Mahomes and Garoppolo and the Niners would have been favoured, swtich Mahomes and Brady, and the Bucs would have been favoured.

Also, explain how saying Mahomes just had the best season ever as a QB is a vanilla take, when I haven't heard any other pundit on TV make this take?

[Blake]

KC was favoured in those SBs because of Mahomes, not for having the more complete team. That's exactly the point. Switch Mahomes and Garoppolo and the Niners would have been favoured, swtich Mahomes and Brady, and the Bucs would have been favoured.

Also, explain how saying Mahomes just had the best season ever as a QB is a vanilla take, when I haven't heard any other pundit on TV make this take?

Bull . You can't categorically say "trade qbs and the lines will switch". There's a lot more that goes into it than that

[spursreport]

Herd made a couple interesting points

A) There was tape of Eagles defense over-persuing. And even cheating on motion plays. Reid is great friends with Pederson and Jags played Philly early in the season...

B) The shaky field neutralized the teams pass rush

C) Belichick always forced his defenders to wear white gloves in the SB when their opponent wore white jerseys

Lol making excuses on the Eagles D being exposed against an elite QB. Dumbass 49er fan still bitter.

[DAF86]

Bull . You can't categorically say "trade qbs and the lines will switch". There's a lot more that goes into it than that

Yeah, when you are trading Mahomes and Garoppolo, the lines will categorically switch. There's literally nothing more that goes into that.

[FrostKing]

Lol making excuses on the Eagles D being exposed against an elite QB. Dumbass 49er fan still bitter.

what are you crying about

[Robz4000]

if the Niners had Mahomes instead of Crappolo they'd be on a fivepeat right now

[FrostKing]

if the Niners had Mahomes instead of Crappolo they'd be on a fivepeat right now

Would he avoid injury unlike everyone else?

[Robz4000]

Would he avoid injury unlike everyone else?

True, if he were a Niner that ankle prolly explodes.

[leemajors]

I can't imagine watching any of those talking head time filling shows.

[Blake]

Yeah, when you are trading Mahomes and Garoppolo, the lines will categorically switch. There's literally nothing more that goes into that.

There's coaching and systems. Imagine Brady in Andy Reid's offense. But if it helps your thought process to dumb it down, you do you. I don't really care about this discussion any more tbh.

[SpursforSix]

Neither of the things you mentioned are exactly the same as saying "Mahomes has been on the lesser team on every SB he played" and "Mahomes just had the best season for a QB ever".

I know, because I heard all the other things you are saying but I never really put into persepective the rarity of what Mahomes is accomplishing untill I heard Chris Simms mention those points in that specific way.

what in the real is wrong with you

what exactly do you want people to say about Mahomes? Seriously what the dude.

[leemajors]

what in the real is wrong with you

what exactly do you want people to say about Mahomes? Seriously what the dude.

I've never heard of anyone be enlightened by anything a Simms has had to say

[Monostradamus]

I've never heard of anyone be enlightened by anything a Simms has had to say

[Monostradamus]

That “lesser team” take has been regurgitated everywhere, it wasn’t some novel idea.

Also, KC was the clear favorite to win vs Tompa, but everyone likes to forget that because of how bad they got curbstomped

[Monostradamus]

Losing a close one is fine, but getting your cheeks clapped in the Super Bowl is an automatic disqualification from GOAT status. Burrow still in the running tbh.

[DAF86]

There's coaching and systems. Imagine Brady in Andy Reid's offense. But if it helps your thought process to dumb it down, you do you. I don't really care about this discussion any more tbh.

Yeah, I imagine Brady in Reid's system and it's worse than Mahomes in Reid's system. It's really not that complicated, all things equal, the only thing you switch is the QBs, who do you think would have been favoured in the Chiefs-Niners and Chiefs-Bucs matchups?

[DAF86]

what in the real is wrong with you

what exactly do you want people to say about Mahomes? Seriously what the dude.

No, dude, what is wrong with YOU?

I think it's really simple what I'm trying to say. Let me dumb it down for you:

1) Do you think Mahomes has been on the lesser team on the 3 SuperBowls he played?

2) Do you think this 2022/23 season Mahomes just had was the best season ever for a QB?

[SpursforSix]

No, dude, what is wrong with YOU?

I think it's really simple what I'm trying to say. Let me dumb it down for you:

1) Do you think Mahomes has been on the lesser team on the 3 SuperBowls he played?

2) Do you think this 2022/23 season Mahomes just had was the best season ever for a QB?

Yeah...just like everyone else mostly. We all get what he did. He's awesome. Is anyone not saying that?

Why are you painting him as some victim. Maybe I'm missing something in your posts but you sound re ed. I'll apologize if you can justify whatever point you're trying to make.

[leemajors]

The best statistical season ever by a qb is still Marino in 1984 imo.

[DAF86]

Yeah...just like everyone else mostly. We all get what he did. He's awesome. Is anyone not saying that?

Nop, I didn't hear anyone else saying this. Heck, even in this same thread I'm arguing this exact thing with the other guy that said Simms didn't say anything different to what everybody else was saying.