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    A neverending cycle Trainwreck2100's Avatar
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    And you vote for the ability to kill babies up to the day before they are delivered. The inability of both sides to agree on a reasonable compromise 1st trimester? Second trimester? Is the fault of both sides.
    no woman is going to carry a baby for 8 months, up her body for 7 months and say " it kill the thing" the issue is your side has turned women into walking tombs because happens in those nine months and the thing needs to be cut out because it ain't going to live and repubs are like "keep it an bury it".

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    This needs to be reposted on every page of every abortion thread moving forward.

    Speaking as someone who has helped deliver many babies and been an active part of several c-sections as part of his profession this is blatantly false. If a fetus is delivered prior to expected delivery date during the 3rd trimester then labor was induced or an emergency c-section was performed because of a potentially lethal risk to mother, a fatal defect in the fetus, or both.


    Just a few emergencies requiring c-section aka abortion:

    -Sometimes the umbilical cord can start to strangulate a fetus requiring an emergent c-section or immediate labor induction.
    -Sometimes the placenta can detach from the uterine wall causing massive hemorrhaging again requiring an emergent c-section aka abortion.
    -Sometimes an infection can spiral out of control.
    -Sometimes a fatal physical flaw is discovered late in the fetus

    A c-section is the medical procedure that terminates pregnancy in the 3rd trimester. An abortion terminates pregnancy. A c-section is an abortion. There are countless ways in which a pregnancy can go catastrophically wrong resulting in the need for rapid abortion or loss of life will happen.

    Sometimes a baby is delivered as a result of the c-section, sometimes a fetus dies during the actual process and sometimes a nonviable fetus is removed. To make abortion (aka 3rd trimester c-sections) illegal is to place the mother's and potential child's lives at risk.



    During my college days there was a group of "pro-life" conservatives that traveled around harassing students with horrific pictures of supposed "3rd trimester abortions." In actuality, these pictures were the results of life-saving c-sections that had to be performed.

    Did the above emergencies matter to the photographer or the religious zealots that used them as propaganda? No, the pictures were taken illegally, (violating patient privacy) and mislabeled as "3rd trimester elective abortions." That's a truly vile act performed by the zealots because these aren't elective, they're emergent. The women that undergo these procedures have now been carrying their prospective child for many months now and that is now all lost. It's an extremely traumatic experience for everyone involved, but of course especially the mother, and requires a lengthy healing process. In most cases they never even had a choice. To prolong that loss by prohibiting abortion is an action of cruelty fueled by ignorance and zealotry.


    Let's think critically for a moment, how many women do you really think would willingly progress through the profound physiological changes associated with a pregnancy and the attachment to her prospective child all the way towards a nebulous, but certain, delivery date only to flippantly change her mind as the process is finally, finally reaching conclusion?

    Does that really sound plausible to you?

    Do you really think that to be a frequent occurrence?

    Do you really think an ob-gyn would unquestioningly accept her profound change in desired outcome without a therapist being on hand to help sort through whatever she may be feeling at the time?

    Nobody is "killing babies in the 3rd trimester," let alone being allowed to vote on the issue. It's highly charged emotional rhetoric used to dupe people that for whatever reason can't see through the dishonesty. To repeat their message is to promote harmful behavior.

    Please listen to medical professionals and not politicians when dealing with medical problems. Be it abortion, covid, vaccination, whatever. There can be no compromise with irrational, dishonest behavior.

    To believe otherwise, is dangerously naive.

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    And you vote for the ability to kill babies up to the day before they are delivered. The inability of both sides to agree on a reasonable compromise 1st trimester? Second trimester? Is the fault of both sides.
    It really isn't both sides. Roe was that compromise. It was struck down because one side doesn't want to compromise.

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    It really isn't both sides. Roe was that compromise. It was struck down because one side doesn't want to compromise.
    Despite the fact I wish it hadn't been overturned I still think the decision was legally correct. It's not the place of the judiciary to make laws according to the cons ution. The legislative branch should have done it. Then again you get into the state issues with the cons ution.

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    Despite the fact I wish it hadn't been overturned I still think the decision was legally correct. It's not the place of the judiciary to make laws according to the cons ution. The legislative branch should have done it. Then again you get into the state issues with the cons ution.
    The legislative branch will never do it because your side will never compromise.

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    Despite the fact I wish it hadn't been overturned I still think the decision was legally correct. It's not the place of the judiciary to make laws according to the cons ution. The legislative branch should have done it. Then again you get into the state issues with the cons ution.
    Roe was a compromise between the inherent right to privacy of the individual to make health decisions for herself and whatever State interests in protecting life.

    This last decision was a major blunder and legally unsound. To the point that it overruled not one, but two different SCOTUS (a first), taking a royal on stare-decisis and it came up with a new 'traditionalism' legal standard that did not exist before.

    It's so bad that the whole rationale of it was that it returned the authority to States, and so you would've thought the SCOTUS wouldn't need to look at this again. As we know now, that was an epic fail, and why? Because one side does not want to compromise.

    IMO, it's just a matter of time until that decision is overturned and it goes into the history books on the same section as "separate but equals". Just an unnecessary black eye on the SCOTUS.

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    Roe was a compromise between the inherent right to privacy of the individual to make health decisions for herself and whatever State interests in protecting life.

    This last decision was a major blunder and legally unsound. To the point that it overruled not one, but two different SCOTUS (a first), taking a royal on stare-decisis and it came up with a new 'traditionalism' legal standard that did not exist before.

    It's so bad that the whole rationale of it was that it returned the authority to States, and so you would've thought the SCOTUS wouldn't need to look at this again. As we know now, that was an epic fail, and why? Because one side does not want to compromise.

    IMO, it's just a matter of time until that decision is overturned and it goes into the history books on the same section as "separate but equals". Just an unnecessary black eye on the SCOTUS.
    we're stuck with kavanaugh and coney barret for the rest of our adult lives, the only way is if there's no R pres and senate majority until thomas an alito both die which is like 20 years of dem wins

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    we're stuck with kavanaugh and coney barret for the rest of our adult lives, the only way is if there's no R pres and senate majority until thomas an alito both die which is like 20 years of dem wins
    Boohoo!

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    we're stuck with kavanaugh and coney barret for the rest of our adult lives, the only way is if there's no R pres and senate majority until thomas an alito both die which is like 20 years of dem wins
    Plessy v. Ferguson was in the books for 60 years, yet it's still regarded as one of the worst if not the worst SCOTUS decision in history.

    But, ultimately, these kind of decisions find their way to the tree of woe. The 'quick fix' would be a law from Congress, but one side doesn't want to compromise.

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