Scoot Henderson - 2023 NBA Draft Prospect

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I'll trust what timvp says that the Spurs like Scoot and the Thompson twins over who you think is better.

Now do Primo. He was on nobody's map. He was a bust also. So on both possibilities of context, Primo proves that line of thinking invalud.

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Now do Primo.

Primo was a reach because the Spurs caught word he wasn't going to be available at their next pick.

Last year it was known the Spurs were interested in Sochan before the draft and that is who they picked. Teams draft who they like, like NO drafting Daniels last year even though word the Spurs liked Sochan.

Spurs were worried NO might take Sochan but teams draft who they like not what some other team likes.

[Mr. Body]

Primo was a reach because the Spurs caught word he wasn't going to be available at their next pick.

Last year it was known the Spurs were interested in Sochan before the draft and that is who they picked. Teams draft who they like, like NO drafting Daniels last year even though word the Spurs liked Sochan.

Spurs were worried NO might take Sochan but teams draft who they like not what some other team likes.

Mark Williams.

[rascal]

Mark Williams.

Nope the Spurs were interested in Sochan over Williams. Sochan was more likely to be drafted by timvp in his writeups.

[Mr. Body]

Nope the Spurs were interested in Sochan over Williams. Sochan was more likely to be drafted by timvp in his writeups.

I don't know if you have trouble understanding basic things, but the Spurs floated the idea that they were interested in Mark Williams.

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Primo was a reach because the Spurs caught word he wasn't going to be available at their next pick.

Last year it was known the Spurs were interested in Sochan before the draft and that is who they picked. Teams draft who they like, like NO drafting Daniels last year even though word the Spurs liked Sochan.

Spurs were worried NO might take Sochan but teams draft who they like not what some other team likes.

Yes I know that's what the Spurs leaked in the aftermath of their pick which was being trashed in real time (won't forget Ryen Russillo on this subject). But we don't know if that's legitimately what occurred or covering your ass.

And even if it was to block NO, as you said, it was still a reach. Point being, PATCO may or may not be high on Scoot and tge Twins. It could be nothing more than draft BS to start poisoning the well OR trying to raise trade value on desire so ppl below them in the draft consider trading up, depending on where we end up being slotted

[Chinook]

I can't say I find the logic of "Scoot's a superstar who won't be able to win as the best players, so let's take a non-superstar instead" all that compelling. They can draft Scoot and then draft someone else next year. There's not a rule out there that there can be only one potential star on the team at once. Unless the Spurs actively move into a win-now posture, no one they draft is going to prevent them from having another bite of the apple next year. PG is a position of need, and if Scoot is BPA, he's the obvious pick. Don't worry about the team's ceiling at a time when they're trying the scrape their floor off the basement.

[Ariel]

I can't say I find the logic of "Scoot's a superstar who won't be able to win as the best players, so let's take a non-superstar instead" all that compelling

Has anyone said that? I must have missed it.

[Brazil]

Straight Bledsoe. He was a good player, and had a 12 year career. Never an All Star, though, and not someone you could have wanted to build around.

We're pretty clearly talking about Bledsoe physically.

But, sure, why not -- Bledsoe in his mid-20s for Phoenix as a ceiling. That's a good player. I don't see any reason to think Henderson will be a franchise player much less some demigod. If he went by Sterling Henderson, if G-Ignite wasn't hyped to by ESPN and the league, and he didn't come into the year with "generational talent" and "would go #1 in any other draft in the last ten years if not for Wembanyama," people would be a bit more straight with him.

Bledsoe is a good player and all but we are talking about a potential 2nd pick here I just looked it up, Bledsoe was 18th pick overall, that's great value for a late first round pick but if you draft second you better draft a dude with higher ceiling than that

[Brazil]

if Scoot er ceiling is Bledsoe... draft someone else for the love of god

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I can't say I find the logic of "Scoot's a superstar who won't be able to win as the best players, so let's take a non-superstar instead" all that compelling. They can draft Scoot and then draft someone else next year. There's not a rule out there that there can be only one potential star on the team at once. Unless the Spurs actively move into a win-now posture, no one they draft is going to prevent them from having another bite of the apple next year. PG is a position of need, and if Scoot is BPA, he's the obvious pick. Don't worry about the team's ceiling at a time when they're trying the scrape their floor off the basement.

Scoot's not a superstar.

[JPB]

I can't say I find the logic of "Scoot's a superstar who won't be able to win as the best players, so let's take a non-superstar instead" all that compelling. They can draft Scoot and then draft someone else next year. There's not a rule out there that there can be only one potential star on the team at once. Unless the Spurs actively move into a win-now posture, no one they draft is going to prevent them from having another bite of the apple next year. PG is a position of need, and if Scoot is BPA, he's the obvious pick. Don't worry about the team's ceiling at a time when they're trying the scrape their floor off the basement.

I believe that's the whole point... Is he BPA?

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I believe that's the whole point... Is he BPA?

Best Player or best prospect?

[Mr. Body]

Bledsoe is a good player and all but we are talking about a potential 2nd pick here I just looked it up, Bledsoe was 18th pick overall, that's great value for a late first round pick but if you draft second you better draft a dude with higher ceiling than that

Cool, you're starting to get it.

[K...]

I think spursfans will soon see why tanking sucks and why not tanking in 2018 was correct.

You dont draft players in the lottery you draft prospects. Other than wemby everything is Meh because drafting sucks. Yet its how the nba allocates talent. Imagine if the spurs could draft rookie contract prospects of other teams. Thats the best equivalent of old style drafting was,.when you drafted older more experienced prospects

[jjspur]

That's completely misleading, Jokic is a complete outlier. If you go by the MVP historic list they're OVERWHELMINGLY high lottery picks (mostly top 3), with a few low lottery exceptions or borderline (Nash & Giannis). Only 2 MVPs ever were below 15 picks (Jokic & Willis Reed)
https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/nba-mv...raft-positions

I was actually speaking about NBA champions in the last 12 years ( an average NBA players career) . While there are a lot of MVP's, they all weren't drafted Number 1, and some weren't even NBA champs, and if they were champs, some didn't necessarily win them with the team that originally drafted them. You made your point that top 3 picks produce a lot of MVP's, I don't disagree, but my point wasn't about individual MVP's, it was about championships and how many of the past 12 #1 picks have won. Make a graphic about that. Not sure the numbers will look as high.

Man you had to go way way back to find some of these guys. Wilt ? Bill Walton ? Oscar Robertson ? Those guys played more than 40 years ago, all hall of famers with 6 MVP's but only 5 chips over 38 years total. While having a MVP on your team is great and will do a lot for a team, it may not necessarily get you a championship (Steve Nash, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone - 5 MVP's 0 chips). Lesson for the day - even with all the info and video, it can be a crapshoot. Your #1 pick may be good, great or average but always highly paid, or your #7 pick may be good , great , or average as well, but help get you a championship. MVP's are great but the chips are what make the difference.

[KobesAchilles]

I think spursfans will soon see why tanking sucks and why not tanking in 2018 was correct.

You dont draft players in the lottery you draft prospects. Other than wemby everything is Meh because drafting sucks. Yet its how the nba allocates talent. Imagine if the spurs could draft rookie contract prospects of other teams. Thats the best equivalent of old style drafting was,.when you drafted older more experienced prospects

Wasn’t that the Luka draft? Bc I’d rather have him than our entire current roster

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One point I haven't seen discussed yet is that in taking a player like Scoot, he really undermines one of your FRPs in Blake Wesley from just last year too. They're too similar a player. I'm sure he'll get PT over him being the 2nd or 3rd pick. Might as well trade Wesley for scraps now. Just doesn't make sense on several levels to me, mostly because I think Wesley is better than Scoot. But call me crazy Scoot mob.

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Wasn’t that the Luka draft? Bc I’d rather have him than our entire current roster

We were coming off a playoff run in the summer of 2018, and Tony and Manu were still on the team.

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Fox gets to the rim at will and is a much better finisher, while Scoot settles for mid range jumpers most of the time. That's a HUGE difference, you can't live off of that in the NBA unless you're SUPERB at it (DDR / Rip Hamilton like). I'm not Fox's biggest fan overall and I expect Scoot to be significantly better as a playmaker, though. But given his personality, if he doesn't get to the efficiency levels required to be an important piece (let's drop the centerpiece semantics, it leads to confusion) for a winning team, he might not be willing to take a step back to avoid hurting the team, so that's also a consideration.

Fox subsists on a steady diet of mid rangers and he's also 7 years older, so of course he's more polished.

The last part is hypothetical and likely years down the line, exactly the sort of thing a team in the infancy of a re-build has no business so much as considering.

Too many are consumed with prescribing problems and reverse engineering something that hasn't even occurred yet. Paralysis by analysis.

I can't say I find the logic of "Scoot's a superstar who won't be able to win as the best players, so let's take a non-superstar instead" all that compelling. They can draft Scoot and then draft someone else next year. There's not a rule out there that there can be only one potential star on the team at once. Unless the Spurs actively move into a win-now posture, no one they draft is going to prevent them from having another bite of the apple next year. PG is a position of need, and if Scoot is BPA, he's the obvious pick. Don't worry about the team's ceiling at a time when they're trying the scrape their floor off the basement.

A lot of them have this idea that because this franchise has had Robinson, Duncan and briefly S bag playing at a superstar level basically in succession, that they'll just luck into another one in relatively short order, so why settle for anything less or that whoever takes the torch has to fit the ethos of Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili and to a lesser extent Parker.

They don't get that the odds of either are astronomically slim and that this draft is essentially the beginning, not the end.

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Fox subsists on a steady diet of mid rangers and he's also 7 years older, so of course he's more polished.

The last part is hypothetical and likely years down the line, exactly the sort of thing a team in the infancy of a re-build has no business so much as considering.

Too many are consumed with prescribing problems and reverse engineering something that hasn't even occurred yet. Paralysis by analysis.




A lot of them have this idea that because this franchise has had Robinson, Duncan and briefly S bag playing at a superstar level basically in succession, that they'll just luck into another one in relatively short order, so why settle for anything less or that whoever takes the torch has to fit the ethos of Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili and to a lesser extent Parker.

They don't get that the odds of either are astronomically slim and that this draft is essentially the beginning, not the end.

If we don't draw a superstar, you want someone who plays well with others, not a heliocentric. There are a number of players I'd be happy with if we don't draw Wemby. Scoot isn't on that list.

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If we don't draw a superstar, you want someone who plays well with others, not a heliocentric. There are a number of players I'd be happy with if we don't draw Wemby. Scoot isn't on that list.

No, you want the perceived highest ceiling individual talent and if they also fill your biggest current positional need and are easily marketable to the masses, even better.

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No, you want the perceived highest ceiling individual talent and if they also fill your biggest current positional need and are easily marketable to the masses, even better.

Except that he has too many deficit boxes to check to be a superstar. Shooting, defense, finishing, midrange scoring. That's not a high ceiling, it's a pipe dream.

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A lot of them have this idea that because this franchise has had Robinson, Duncan and briefly S bag playing at a superstar level basically in succession, that they'll just luck into another one in relatively short order, so why settle for anything less or that whoever takes the torch has to fit the ethos of Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili and to a lesser extent Parker.

They don't get that the odds of either are astronomically slim and that this draft is essentially the beginning, not the end.

This is certainly a misread. I think every single one of the people I've seen cautioning against Scoot is quite cognizant of our draft odds. I think there's also certainly no consensus of who to take if not picking #1. I just sense that we all are of the mindset that Scoot is not the one we should be taking because we think there are better prospects as found in any number of the other top guys. I'm personally high on a guy I haven't seen any others promoting. Either way, I'm also well aware we're just hitting our bottom point and that the climb out won't be simple. However, as I posted on that other thread on "worst future in our division", I also think the skies are clearing for us to ascend faster than I had previously thought given concerns in NO, Dallas, Memphis, and to a lesser extent in Houston now that theyve hired Ime. This draft will determine a bunch of how those next few years play out which is why it's so critical not to squander a pick this year on mere potential that never shakes out.

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Except that he has too many deficit boxes to check to be a superstar. Shooting, defense, finishing, midrange scoring. That's not a high ceiling, it's a pipe dream.

Again, who said anything about a superstar? And other than range shooting, there's no reason to think he won't become decent or better at all of those things.

This is certainly a misread. I think every single one of the people I've seen cautioning against Scoot is quite cognizant of our draft odds. I think there's also certainly no consensus of who to take if not picking #1. I just sense that we all are of the mindset that Scoot is not the one we should be taking because we think there are better prospects as found in any number of the other top guys. I'm personally high on a guy I haven't seen any others promoting. Either way, I'm also well aware we're just hitting our bottom point and that the climb out won't be simple. However, as I posted on that other thread on "worst future in our division", I also think the skies are clearing for us to ascend faster than I had previously thought given concerns in NO, Dallas, Memphis, and to a lesser extent in Houston now that theyve hired Ime. This draft will determine a bunch of how those next few years play out which is why it's so critical not to squander a pick this year on mere potential that never shakes out.

Henderson or otherwise, people need to lower or alter their standards both in caliber and personality type for the next face of the franchise.