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The Spurs are bad, reason for the tank.
I agree with this and let's face be real, Keldon ain't going to get us in the range we'd need to be in for Scoot/Amen.
We need to improve the talent level around Wemby, and do it quickly. I also agree that we have some pieces that fit nicely already (Devin, Sochan, Keldon, Bran). Though I don't see Keldon as a long term piece of the puzzle, in the short term he is fine. Rather than moving picks (or players) for rolls of the dice in the draft, I'd rather up the level of veteran talent surrounding that young core. Move that Charlotte pick for a Derrick White type. I wouldn't be saying this if we weren't pick #1 - but with Wemby coming, we have our young core set, there really isn't a need to keep adding to that pile of developmental assets.
The Spurs are bad, reason for the tank.
sochan and vassell are the only guys id feel very reluctant to move
Mikal Bridges and Siakam will be trade targets for Portland.
If they can land them for pick 3, they absolutely should. But then who does DAL get for pick 10? Who does WAS get?
I think WAS keeps their pick and gets Wallace or Black. DAL is not clear. Mocks are starting to suggest a defensive center in Derek Lively but that seems... underwhelming? I feel like they're gonna try to get an established player, whoever it is.
It's not about that. I think most of us want to see how they play together first before immediately shipping anyone out
The idea of Lillard to join Harden in Houston is floating around. I think Lillard and Portland have a death grip on each other. But this is the crazy Houston is liable to do and may actually rescue the Blazers from their weird .
Yes he is worth more because Portland wants to get the best player they can for that 3 pick to win now with Dame.
Dame is interested in who Portland acquires for this year not future draft picks and Portland is building around the Dame win now window.
It's what they will do unless they change their plan and give up on the idea they can win with Dame and trade Dame and keep that 3 pick. That can be a possibility.
Not me
I'm not interested in just adding Wemby to a bad team and calling it quits there.
I‘ll much rather move up into the late first round with some of those 20 second round picks we got. Somebody will fall and we always draft starting caliber players in the 20s
Its going to cost Devin plus unprotected Atlanta picks if they want to move into the top 10. Keldon wont do the trick. For Scoot you'd do it in heartbeat but as others said that's unlikely because they want win now players for the pick and could do better than Dev. Not sure if any remaining prospect outside the top three are worth losing Dev plus unprotected Atlanta picks. Too risky.
I want to see Mamu and Wemby on the floor together.
Nah... there's no way Siakim alone is worth more that KJ, and two firsts (one unprotected). While, they'd prefer siakim over KJ in a vacuum, the value isn't there and Toronto wouldn't offer any firsts to improve the value.
I'm not saying our package gets #3 either, I'm saying there's no way Siakim alone is worth #3.
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I already said that earlier this season but with Ivey emerging and Cunningham coming back from injury, Hayes won’t play much next season in Detroit. He’s a good playmaker, his shoot still sucks but nothing unfixable. Most of all, he’s French and will be playing with Wembanyama in national team. Instead of betting on a rookie, it could be the right move.
the spurs need to go and get poetl back.
Having a night's sleep and other duties, and still avoiding work... I'm stepping back from moving into the top 10. I think it's unlikely and I agree that Keldon both won't command those picks (although I thought he'd need to be paired with assets) and his role is pretty important right now on the team.
I've been looking at Washington and Utah as taking PGs at their current spots, but they might be in places to bid for the #2 or #3 picks (or even #4) to nab Scoot or Amen. Not sure the packages, but Washington is likely to want a splash. Unsure about Utah. If either (or both) teams get higher-ranked PG types, one of our targets could become more available.
Anyway, I still think the team tries to get two young talents from this draft. One of them is assigned. Feels like the effort will be put into getting into the 20s.
Let's say your right about getting that 2nd talent in this draft and let's say your right and we're looking for a PG. All that matters is the longterm fit with Wemby, so who do you see as the best fit?
If they're not gung-ho about getting back into the lottery, then I don't see a PG as the explicit target. They'd probably just be going for a good talent generally.
If they are trying to poach a good PG type, Black will be out of range. I don't have great feelings about Hood-Schifino, who will be around 20 (probably). I do think Bufkin will be undervalued and teams will regret passing on him. He's probably in the 10-20 range but think he'll go in the late lottery. I don't think they can get there unless they find a team who doesn't need a player now, or can wait until 33, and likes something in the future.
But I think the Spurs will be as conservative with their assets as usual. If there's someone they like regardless of position they might try to trade a bit down, a Whitehead type.
Omitting Scoot (because I don't think there's anyway we pay what it'll take to get that high), if we're going for a PG in a range between 10-20 I like 3 guys for different reasons: NSJ (I know we disagree about projecting him as a PG), Cason Wallace, and Kobe Bufkin.
He's a horizontally elite athlete, and showed blow by speed on a number of occasions. The problem is when he gets into the restricted area, he doesn't know how to finish well. He needs a consistent floater to fall to unlock his finishing skill package. He's also my pick for non-Wemby breakout player this year.
I was watching an interview clip with Doug McD last year talking about the rookies and their progress, and he mentioned that it usually takes 40 games to get your feet under you and figure out the NBA. Because of his MCL tear, Wesley played only 37 games. Don't be surprised by a burst of progress right out of the gate this year.
That's fair. I really would like them to try to pull a good PG prospect. These are players you might find in the future... maybe... but getting a young talent on board now seems like a good idea.
I love Wesley, especially because he is fearless and that dog in him. He believes he belongs out there. He is a bit small but a pesky defender. I mean we had TP who is the same built and speed, same fearless at ude.
And I’ve mentioned on another thread. Wemby coming will elevate a lot of these young players game, the same for MJ’s Bulls, Kobe’s Lakers, Timmy’s Spurs. There is the urgency to get better, to play best because you are close to getting there playing with a player as such. I have no doubt everyone will be in the gym early trying to get better. I have no doubt our young guys will surprise us and it will be fun.
I know they will not push to win a ring this year, too early for that. But they will play to win this time. No more stealth tanking, as some might suggest. I think Wemby’s expectations are to win. So they will play to win. But not necessarily bring vets to win for them, but the young core getting to the next level.
Yeah, the value in this draft isn't the top ten.
The value is late first/early second and the Spurs are already poised to make some noise there.
Word around Mavs trying to move #10 either to get an upgrade or unload a bad contract like Bert or Hardaway.
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