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    Speaking of Avery, that's who Tim started with, an existing asset who people thought wasn't good enough. Sounds an awful lot like Tre.
    On an NBA that required different skillsets from their PGs. Avery in today's NBA wouldn't even have made it to the league.

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    And you don't think adding a PG with actual NBA starter level would be benefitial for Wemby's development?
    No. Tre is adequate. He will be really good at getting Wemby the ball in his preferred spots. He just sucks at shooting.

    P/S: I've read other threads, there's nothing about the Spurs prioritazing PF/C over PG.
    I already posted the link and don’t feel like re-posting it. If you care enough, look again.

    In any case, it is too early to know what their moves will be. Probably they don't even know it yet, that's why I don't think you asseveration is incorrect.
    Right, I’m sure a competent NBA front office that started planning for Wembanyama like six months ago has no idea what their strategy is for free agency.

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    The thing about Chris is that he didn’t age gracefully, and he won’t make it past the second round of the playoffs. He’s crapped out there for the last 8 years. I clearly remember him as a Clipper in 2015, dragging his leg up and down the court with a bad hamstring. That would become a recurring theme.

    What good is it to have a veteran mentor PG if he can’t go in the playoffs?
    i dont know that the spurs are realistically aiming to make a deep playoff run this year anyway. paul getting hurt in may isnt really a big concern imo

    but if you want to give wemby as gentle a transition as possible where he can have "easy" early success, not many better options out there than Paul

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    No. Tre is adequate. He will be really good at getting Wemby the ball in his preferred spots. He just sucks at shooting.

    I already posted the link and don’t feel like re-posting it. If you care enough, look again.


    Right, I’m sure a competent NBA front office that started planning for Wembanyama like six months ago has no idea what their strategy is for free agency.
    So you are telling me the Spurs will be heading into next season with their current PG roation? Can I remind you of this if it doesn't happen?

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    Can we remind you if they go out and get another center besides Zach? That would be a complete center rotation.

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    Why get old cp3 or dame, when we can get a young future all star prospect, like Halliburton or BE,?

    Well availability i guess. But why dream small? Save the big FA/trade a acquisition for a current star.

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    Ostensibly the idea of Paul appeals. He does have that ability to elevate. But you actually have to pay for him -- asset-wise.

    My bigger concern is personality. He has a pretty down-low toxic personality and is not well-liked. Sure, it'll drive interest in the team, but in the locker room these guys seem to get along really well despite the losing. I don't think it's a major concern but let's just keep the good vibes going, you know?

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    Why get old cp3 or dame, when we can get a young future all star prospect, like Halliburton or BE,?

    Well availability i guess. But why dream small? Save the big FA/trade a acquisition for a current star.
    People need to realize that Haliburton is the Indiana franchise guy. He's not going anywhere. Even more to the point, he's happy there, which is rare. Compared to Iowa it must seem like high Renaissance Venice or Florence to him.

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    Can we remind you if they go out and get another center besides Zach? That would be a complete center rotation.
    I'm not saying they won't get a C, though.

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    He had his chance to join in 2018, chose the Rockets. Now you want to take him at 38?

    One of the most disgusting players in history of the game, him, history will remember him as a flopping choker.

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    Ostensibly the idea of Paul appeals. He does have that ability to elevate. But you actually have to pay for him -- asset-wise.

    My bigger concern is personality. He has a pretty down-low toxic personality and is not well-liked. Sure, it'll drive interest in the team, but in the locker room these guys seem to get along really well despite the losing. I don't think it's a major concern but let's just keep the good vibes going, you know?
    I don't think we do, actually. The sole reason I brought up CP3 is because there are rumours that the Suns want to get rid of him (there's even buzz of them cutting him). In that case, the Spurs would only need to take on his contract without giving up any asset in return.

    For the record I wouldn't give up even a 2nd rounder for Paul, I just like the idea if the only thing that costs us is cap space for a couple of years.

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    I don't think we do, actually. The sole reason I brought up CP3 is because there are rumours that the Suns want to get rid of him (there's even buzz of them cutting him). In that case, the Spurs would only need to take on his contract without giving up any asset in return.

    For the record I wouldn't give up even a 2nd rounder for Paul, I just like the idea if the only thing that costs us is cap space for a couple of years.
    I'm not sure they want to get rid of him and not sure where the buzz came from. He's irreplacable and if they get nothing for him, that's awful. Now, if Houston comes knocking - and I"ve heard that rumor - they might be okay getting something in return. But for nothing? Judging by their subreddit and common sense, I don't think so. We'd have to do something for them.

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    I'm not sure they want to get rid of him and not sure where the buzz came from. He's irreplacable and if they get nothing for him, that's awful. Now, if Houston comes knocking - and I"ve heard that rumor - they might be okay getting something in return. But for nothing? Judging by their subreddit and common sense, I don't think so. We'd have to do something for them.
    The Suns are in championship contention. CP3 is still good in the regular season, but he gets injured everytime in the playoffs. The Suns' management already realized they will never be able to count with Paul when it matters, that's why they want to get rid of his contract to be able to sign some other guys. The Spurs are one of the few teams that can take on CP3's contract.

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    So you are telling me the Spurs will be heading into next season with their current PG roation? Can I remind you of this if it doesn't happen?
    What I said is that what you deem a “starter-quality” point guard, which in your estimation Tre Jones is not, is not necessary for Wemby’s development.

    Lots of things could happen to change the PG rotation. They could draft one in the 2nd round who pans out quickly and displaces Graham and/or Wesley from the rotation (BW belongs in Austin anyway). They could deal Keldon Johnson and get a package back that includes a PG.

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    The Suns are in championship contention. CP3 is still good in the regular season, but he gets injured everytime in the playoffs. The Suns' management already realized they will never be able to count with Paul when it matters, that's why they want to get rid of his contract to be able to sign some other guys. The Spurs are one of the few teams that can take on CP3's contract.
    If they want to get out of his contract they could just waive him. Only about half of the $30 million is guaranteed.

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    I like CP3 as a floor general, and him sharing his basketball IQ with all of the young guns. Not a fan of his at ude. Especially if we trade for him now when he's looking for a ring in the twilight of his career, I don't see him being super enthusiastic in training a bunch of young kids. With Vic we should be super cautious about any drama around him.

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    If they want to get out of his contract they could just waive him. Only about half of the $30 million is guaranteed.
    Why pay 15 millions when you can find a trade partner and pay nothing?

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    What I said is that what you deem a “starter-quality” point guard, which in your estimation Tre Jones is not, is not necessary for Wemby’s development.

    Lots of things could happen to change the PG rotation. They could draft one in the 2nd round who pans out quickly and displaces Graham and/or Wesley from the rotation (BW belongs in Austin anyway). They could deal Keldon Johnson and get a package back that includes a PG.
    No, you said that there's no point in keep discussing adding a PG because the priority will be on the PF/C positions. And I doubt that's correct because the PG position is clearly the weakest in the roster.

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    Wemby for CP3, do it

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    No, you said that there's no point in keep discussing adding a PG because the priority will be on the PF/C positions. And I doubt that's correct because the PG position is clearly the weakest in the roster.
    No, what I said is there’s no point in discussing acquiring Chris Paul. If I thought there was no point in adding a point guard by any means, including the draft, I would have said so in the thread about the point guard position that talks about the draft.

    I don’t think they NEED a point guard, even though it is the weakest spot on the team.

    If the Spurs ended up letting Tre Jones walk, or if some other point guard started over him on opening night, then you could come back to me.

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    Ostensibly the idea of Paul appeals. He does have that ability to elevate. But you actually have to pay for him -- asset-wise.

    My bigger concern is personality. He has a pretty down-low toxic personality and is not well-liked. Sure, it'll drive interest in the team, but in the locker room these guys seem to get along really well despite the losing. I don't think it's a major concern but let's just keep the good vibes going, you know?
    That's the thing, you probably don't. PHX is reportedly considering paying out his partial guarantee ($15 Million) and cutting him - because next year will be their 3ed year in the lux tax (multiple repeat offender status) and they have roughly $155M in salary committed to 6 players... Cutting him saves the ownership something like $45M this year; trading him for cap space (to the spurs) saves them something on the order of $90M. It is likely they will throw some assets at us to make that happen. He's totally un-guaranteed the year after, so all it costs us is the cap space and a roster spot for 1 year. This year's FA class kind of sucks... So rolling the space to next summer, while getting paid for it, and getting a guy who's as good or better a PG as we could as an FA looks pretty attractive to me. Especially because everyone in the locker room knows he's not there for long, so he won't have much influence; which minimizes his personality issues.

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    I see Phoenix msg boards rather discussion stretching Paul. If they do, immediately under the tax apron. Or he turns into an asset that helps another team in trade just in salary alone.

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    It's not worth losing whaterver it would take to get a washed up Paul for 1 or 2 years (if he can actually stay on the court). You know you won't get anything back for him. No point.

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    No, what I said is there’s no point in discussing acquiring Chris Paul. If I thought there was no point in adding a point guard by any means, including the draft, I would have said so in the thread about the point guard position that talks about the draft.

    I don’t think they NEED a point guard, even though it is the weakest spot on the team.

    If the Spurs ended up letting Tre Jones walk, or if some other point guard started over him on opening night, then you could come back to me.
    Chris Paul isn’t coming to the Spurs. The team’s priority at PG is re-signing Tre Jones. As far as acquisitions, their priorities are at PF and C. How much more typing needs to be wasted on the topic?
    Sure, you said Chris Paul isn't coming but those two sentences, one after the other, makes it seem like the topic that doesn't need more typing is acquiring a PG, since PF/C is the priority according to you.

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    Sure, you said Chris Paul isn't coming but those two sentences, one after the other, makes it seem like the topic that doesn't need more typing is acquiring a PG, since PF/C is the priority according to you.
    Fine. Acquisitions through trades or free agency. Does that make my intent clear?

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