Trade Rumor: Cedi Osman to Spurs (Edit: Trade complete. Osman, Stevens and a second round pick to Spurs.)

[spurraider21]

Taking ty opportunities now to forego better ones later isn't great.

It's a ty FA class. You don't FOMO on these guys. There are better ways to improve the team this season than ty July panic signings.

Took no opportunities last year or this year. But yeah I’m sure one day we’ll get that perfect opportunity

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Took no opportunities last year or this year. But yeah I’m sure one day we’ll get that perfect opportunity

Strawman. What opportunities do you want in a tank year? We are less than a month into the Wembanyama era.

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Strawman. What opportunities do you want in a tank year? We are less than a month into the Wembanyama era.

I can't wait for the collective approval whenever it comes from the board to start moving forward on free agent signings. Perhaps you guys can forecast for those idiots like me when that year will be that we finally get to make an offer.

Here's a guess: You guys will all nod like robits in unison whenever they finally do decide to dip their toes into free agency. It's kinda creepy how much this board slobbers the nob of PATFO like sheep and then claps like a bunch of seals when they get a second rou der for taking on Cedi Osman and Stevenson BUT REMAIN UNDER THE SALARY FLOOR.

[ChumpDumper]

Took no opportunities last year or this year. But yeah I’m sure one day we’ll get that perfect opportunity

Of course they took opportunities both years.

Not the ones you wanted. You're going to be pissed forever if this is how you go through life. It is definitely a way to be on ST.

Prepare to be pissed more when they start the season at the salary floor. And that won't be because of PATFO.

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Of course they took opportunities both years.

Not the ones you wanted. You're going to be pissed forever if this is how you go through life.

Cedi Osman is not an opportunity. Do you have knowledge that we offered a single contract to any player that might just possibly be better than Khem Birch or any of the other 2 or 3 back bench players?

[ChumpDumper]

Cedi Osman is not an opportunity.

Of course that trade was an opportunity.

Do you have knowledge that we offered a single contract to any player that might just possibly be better than Khem Birch or any of the other 2 or 3 back bench players?

What would that have to do with anything?

They don't do the things you want them to do.

So what?

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Of course that trade was an opportunity.

What would that have to do with anything?

They don't do the things you want them to do.

So what?

No, you're absolutely right. I'm not the GM and certainly not tasked with using my views of how to better the roster. But I have the right to critique their moves and yet theres a substantial number of folks on this board that lockstep attack any posters daring question it. It's like we won 52 games last year, not 22. Like we have a roster that has no holes and needs to help yet we have folks like Barlow that shoots a jumpshot with sideways rotation.

[ChumpDumper]

No, you're absolutely right. I'm not the GM and certainly not tasked with using my views of how to better the roster. But I have the right to critique their moves and yet theres a substantial number of folks on this board that lockstep attack any posters daring question it. It's like we won 52 games last year, not 22. Like we have a roster that has no holes and needs to help yet we have folks like Barlow that shoots a jumpshot with sideways rotation.

No one is saying you can't criticize the team's moves if that's what you want to do.

Now what?

I am pretty sure the reduced revenue that comes with a tank affects the amount of spending the team is allowed to do.

Now what?

Everything makes more sense and I'm a lot less angsty than when I didn't consider things outside of my armchair GM desires.

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No one is saying you can't criticize the team's moves if that's what you want to do.

Now what?

I am pretty sure the reduced revenue that comes with a tank affects the amount of spending the team is allowed to do.

Now what?

Everything makes more sense and I'm a lot less angsty than when I didn't consider things outside of my armchair GM desires.

This board is nothing but armchair GMs. That's what makes it fun. But it seems there's one take on this board that catches mire than anything else and that's challenging our FO as though they've been above reproach. Here's the reality. We cashed in on a 14% shot in the dark to greatly accelerate our return to basketball relevancy. Otherwise, we were tied for the 2nd worst record in the NBA. To me at least, we ought to be searching high and low to upgrade our back end of the bench, at minimum.

[ChumpDumper]

This board is nothing but armchair GMs. That's what makes it fun. But it seems there's one take on this board that catches mire than anything else and that's challenging our FO as though they've been above reproach. Here's the reality. We cashed in on a 14% shot in the dark to greatly accelerate our return to basketball relevancy. Otherwise, we were tied for the 2nd worst record in the NBA. To me at least, we ought to be searching high and low to upgrade our back end of the bench, at minimum.

I'm sure the Spurs would've done something different this summer had they not gotten the 1st pick.

But they did.

Now what?

Everything they've done fits my expectations based on my guesses how the business and basketball sides of this franchise are being run. Makes it easier all around for me.

I understand if you have different viewpoint. There's no need to get angry with me for not being as angry as you.

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I'm sure the Spurs would've done something different this summer had they not gotten the 1st pick.

But they did.

Now what?

Everything they've done fits my expectations based on my guesses how the business and basketball sides of this franchise are being run. Makes it easier all around for me.

I understand if you have different viewpoint. There's no need to get angry with me for not being as angry as you.

Not angry with you in the least Chump. In fact, I generally enjoy your takes on this board. I'm just frustrated by the reflexive hostility to criticism of PATFO on this board. Gets old.

[spurraider21]

Of course they took opportunities both years.

Not the ones you wanted. You're going to be pissed forever if this is how you go through life. It is definitely a way to be on ST.

Prepare to be pissed more when they start the season at the salary floor. And that won't be because of PATFO.

I’m a fan of a few sports teams. When good things happen i get happy. When good things don’t happen i don’t get happy. It’s a pretty simple version of sports fanhood

its served me well for a while. The spurs have generally been very well run and the raiders have generally been very poorly run.

[cutewizard]

8ts Spursssssssss time fellas

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We are totally back

[ChumpDumper]

Not angry with you in the least Chump. In fact, I generally enjoy your takes on this board. I'm just frustrated by the reflexive hostility to criticism of PATFO on this board. Gets old.

You're free to feel however you like. Maybe it's the degree of angst that's throwing me after the Spurs told us exactly what they were going to do this summer. I certainly expect hostility towards my viewpoint even if it's just explanatory and not advocacy.

I’m a fan of a few sports teams. When good things happen i get happy. When good things don’t happen i don’t get happy. It’s a pretty simple version of sports fanhood

its served me well for a while. The spurs have generally been very well run and the raiders have generally been very poorly run.

I guess the possibilities were so plentiful it was easy to get one's hopes up into the stratosphere. I looked at the business side to narrow things down in my head. The floor theory is panning out so far but that can change.

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I can't wait for the collective approval whenever it comes from the board to start moving forward on free agent signings. Perhaps you guys can forecast for those idiots like me when that year will be that we finally get to make an offer.

Here's a guess: You guys will all nod like robits in unison whenever they finally do decide to dip their toes into free agency. It's kinda creepy how much this board slobbers the nob of PATFO like sheep and then claps like a bunch of seals when they get a second rou der for taking on Cedi Osman and Stevenson BUT REMAIN UNDER THE SALARY FLOOR.

I swear you guys are like a kid in a shopping cart screaming WHY DO YOU HATE FOOD? because we passed the first aisle without putting anything in the basket.

So clearly you understand that the Spurs were not going to go sign a big free agent veteran during a 20-win tank season. That's now put to rest.

The Spurs could have done anything they wanted this year. How hard is it to understand that nothing has come up that they want yet? The fact is that the salary floor is not going to be hard to get to and there are a ton of opportunities to get there. You're screeching about a problem that isn't hard to solve. We still have all of summer league and there will be other trade opportunities. There are a lot of guys the Spurs have acquired that they would have no problems trading.

You've been screaming for the Spurs to shoot since they inbounded the ball. The shot clock is at about 17. Relax.

I personally like about 15 or 16 guys on the current roster and I don't want to waste draft picks or money on any asset that makes the team have to jettison one of them prematurely. Clearly the front office feels close to the same way I do. Not surprising since they kept a super young, promising core throughout a monumental grind of a tank season and now wants to keep it together for at least another couple of weeks. It's unlikely that every single one of them happens to develop the way we want, but you gotta see them first.

I feel like I'm repeating myself, but movement does not equal progress. If you think it does, then Houston is the team you should be rooting for.

[JPB]

Disagree. They moved up. They accomplished their goal. I dont care about overpaying etc..if it means consolidation or getting what you want (whether we agree or not with the players etc…).

I dont care about it and honestly Cedi sucks too lmao - I was not saying that Dipo deal specifically was amazing - its more their mindset compared to SA. OKC has so many picks etc they could easily rest on that and take it easy. But they are moving up in draft, still taking guys on etc and their collective mindset last few years is just relentless asset ac ulation and talent ac ulation

Maybe SA would have done some of that if not for Wemby. But Victor changes everything. Let's see who between SA and OKC has the best next decade.

[JPB]

I swear you guys are like a kid in a shopping cart screaming WHY DO YOU HATE FOOD? because we passed the first aisle without putting anything in the basket.

You've been screaming for the Spurs to shoot since they inbounded the ball. The shot clock is at about 17. Relax.

I feel like I'm repeating myself, but movement does not equal progress. If you think it does, then Houston is the team you should be rooting for.

Quality stuff, tbh. Allow me to contact you if I need a couple pertinent analogies.

[Eaglenole2002]

I think PATFO know they need another big-time player, but the right player wasn’t/isn’t available. They put a lot of value in continuity and optionality. I think they believe in a core of Wemby/Vassell/Keldon/Sochan and want to see how things fit together. How much money will Vassell get? Can he become a legit primary ball-handling scorer or PNR partner with Wemby? Does Keldon’s game mesh with this core? Sochan is a chameleon, but what role do they envision for him? Is he really going to be a part-time point guard? Can he lead an offense?

I think those questions likely stopped the Spurs from going all in on improving the roster. They simply don’t know how it all fits together yet. Unless it was a no-brainer move (I didn’t see any), it seems prudent to maintain optionality with roster flexibility and cap flexibility. We’ll know so much more about this team in six months. With cap space, moveable expiring contracts and a boatload of picks, we’ll be in the conversation for any quality player on the market.

[slick'81]

Osman can give you double figs off the bench. Not a bad bench guy I guess

[spurraider21]

You're free to feel however you like. Maybe it's the degree of angst that's throwing me after the Spurs told us exactly what they were going to do this summer. I certainly expect hostility towards my viewpoint even if it's just explanatory and not advocacy.


I guess the possibilities were so plentiful it was easy to get one's hopes up into the stratosphere. I looked at the business side to narrow things down in my head. The floor theory is panning out so far but that can change.

I guess making any improvement to the roster personnel wise is stratospheric wishing when it comes to the draft and free agency window

(obviously excluding that one guy they drafted)

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I swear you guys are like a kid in a shopping cart screaming WHY DO YOU HATE FOOD? because we passed the first aisle without putting anything in the basket.

So clearly you understand that the Spurs were not going to go sign a big free agent veteran during a 20-win tank season. That's now put to rest.

The Spurs could have done anything they wanted this year. How hard is it to understand that nothing has come up that they want yet? The fact is that the salary floor is not going to be hard to get to and there are a ton of opportunities to get there. You're screeching about a problem that isn't hard to solve. We still have all of summer league and there will be other trade opportunities. There are a lot of guys the Spurs have acquired that they would have no problems trading.

You've been screaming for the Spurs to shoot since they inbounded the ball. The shot clock is at about 17. Relax.

I personally like about 15 or 16 guys on the current roster and I don't want to waste draft picks or money on any asset that makes the team have to jettison one of them prematurely. Clearly the front office feels close to the same way I do. Not surprising since they kept a super young, promising core throughout a monumental grind of a tank season and now wants to keep it together for at least another couple of weeks. It's unlikely that every single one of them happens to develop the way we want, but you gotta see them first.

I feel like I'm repeating myself, but movement does not equal progress. If you think it does, then Houston is the team you should be rooting for.

You need to use facts in your replies and not base your arguments on your predetermined desire to defend the FO.

1. Nowhere have I praised Houston's moves, in fact I'm on record on at least 2 threads mocking them just in the past two days.

2. You're being obtuse if you're telling me that even 1 of Khem Birch, Lamar Stevenson, Cedi Osman, or Barlow could not have been bested by any number of the 182 available free agents heading into free agency.

3. You're completely and repeatedly misrepresenting my position. The only time I've advocated for sending out ANY draft picks was for only ONE 1st to go along with some seconds, McBuckets, and Vassell for Dame, if that would get it done, and if not to not do it. Everyone else would have merely been a signing in free agency. And dude, how many times do I have to repeat: we are STILL under the salary FLOOR (not CAP). And that's with having 1 too many roster spots taken. Nowhere have I advocated blowing up cap space or long term flexibility.

4. And finally, "how is it hard to understand that" my argument is precisely that on a 22 win team something should have come up to better the roster which is my point and complaint. Merely repeating or echoing their plan to run it back is not a defense or rebuttal of my argument. It's just reflexive because you can both run it back and improve the roster simultaneously without too much trouble.

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I guess making any improvement to the roster personnel wise is stratospheric wishing when it comes to the draft and free agency window

(obviously excluding that one guy they drafted)

Thinking that a traded-away second round pick or this ty crop of free agents makes an improvement to the roster is the very definition of stratospheric wishing.

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Thinking that a traded-away second round pick or this ty crop of free agents makes an improvement to the roster is the very definition of stratospheric wishing.

And there it is again. ty crop of free agents. Evidently all 182 of them. Bad year in free agency. Not a good year to go after free agents.

Meaningless reflexive jibberish.

Could you and the others please inform me and any other parties that are interested, kindly, when is the next crop of non- ty free agents coming so I can then critique the FO if they don't even make 1 offer after your team wins 22 games?

Evidently, that would really save me lots of pushback on this board. Inquiring minds and all...

[spurraider21]

Thinking that a traded-away second round pick or this ty crop of free agents makes an improvement to the roster is the very definition of stratospheric wishing.

Damn if only there was a way to change your draft positioning. Like an exchange of assets of sorts. A barter. I’m sure there’s a technical term for it