Shams: Spurs Trade for Reggie Bullock and Unprotected 2030 First Round Pick Swap

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I posted elsewhere that Dallas really, really wanted Thybulle before Portland matched. Wild guess is that Portland is getting involved to get him to Dallas in exchange for something.

They can't. Once the contract is matched, he can't be traded to Dallas for a year. Dallas must be after someone else.

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Is this falling through?

Dallas can't cancel it without losing Grant, which they don't want to do. Boston doesn't want any salary. If they did, they would have just re-signed Grant. The contract Dallas offered him was larger than the MLE, so they can't just sign him.

[Ariel]

Trades are made by teams conference calling with a League official. If that call has happened, that trade official pending a physical. If they're still negotiating it, they probably haven't made any calls. During the calls teams can alter the deal, though it's not realistic to think there'd be major changes if it got to that point.

Even if not formally approved, you'd think if there was a handshake agreement in place and it was publicly communicated it as such, barring some major unforeseen event (injury, catastrophe of some nature) teams won't go back on their word because it'd be bad for business.
A lot of things depend on trust, and many teams may let go of opportunities because of a prior commitment, so it'd be pretty costly in terms of reputation and future deals for one team to unilaterally go back on an already agreed upon trade. Even if they got cold feet they should take the bullet and move on, like say Portland with Jerami Grant.

[CorrectCrusader]

Wemby would be what? 26 and hopefully in his prime while Luka will be an old 31.

Wemby being 26 in 2030 blows my mind

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Even if not formally approved, you'd think if there was a handshake agreement in place and it was publicly communicated it as such, barring some major unforeseen event (injury, catastrophe of some nature) teams won't go back on their word because it'd be bad for business.
A lot of things depend on trust, and many teams may let go of opportunities because of a prior commitment, so it'd be pretty costly in terms of reputation and future deals for one team to unilaterally go back on an already agreed upon trade. Even if they got cold feet they should take the bullet and move on, like say Portland with Jerami Grant.

Mark Cuban has precisely zero honor. They made a trade for a protected pick and then literally threw games in order to not have to live up to that trade.

[spurraider21]

Mark Cuban has precisely zero honor. They made a trade for a protected pick and then literally threw games in order to not have to live up to that trade.

thats an inherent risk when protected picks are traded. way different from reneging on an agreement

and that protected pick is still owed, just didnt convey this year

[Seventyniner]

Mark Cuban has precisely zero honor. They made a trade for a protected pick and then literally threw games in order to not have to live up to that trade.

The Warriors shamelessly tanked for almost half the 2012 season to get to the 7th worst record because they owed Utah a top 7 protected pick. They got Harrison Barnes and were not punished by the basketball gods.

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thats an inherent risk when protected picks are traded. way different from reneging on an agreement

and that protected pick is still owed, just didnt convey this year

It won't be number ten. If teams are stupid enough to trade with Dallas again, they get what they deserve.

[Ice009]

I thought this trade was done. Is it likely that the Mavs pull out after this has already been announced. It wouldn't be a good look for them at all if they did so.

[spurraider21]

It won't be number ten. If teams are stupid enough to trade with Dallas again, they get what they deserve.

it cant be number ten. its top ten protected

[exstatic]

I thought this trade was done. Is it likely that the Mavs pull out after this has already been announced. It wouldn't be a good look for them at all if they did so.

There's some thought that they're expanding the trade to include other teams, maybe even merging into some giant Dame trade. If they pull out, they lose Williams, after losing Thybulle to Portland's match. I don't think they want that. Boston doesn't want salary back, and what Dallas offered Williams is more than the MLE, so they can't just sign him. There is also the risk that if they try, Boston matches, and flips him to someone else later.

[spurraider21]

There's some thought that they're expanding the trade to include other teams, maybe even merging into some giant Dame trade. If they pull out, they lose Williams, after losing Thybulle to Portland's match. I don't think they want that. Boston doesn't want salary back, and what Dallas offered Williams is more than the MLE, so they can't just sign him. There is also the risk that if they try, Boston matches, and flips him to someone else later.

its less than 1 mil above the MLE over the course of 4 years. its probable that williams would still agree to it if push came to shove, imo

[R. DeMurre]

Mark Cuban has precisely zero honor. They made a trade for a protected pick and then literally threw games in order to not have to live up to that trade.

I'm no Cuban defender, but the Spurs threw an entire season in a gamble and won it by landing Wembanyama. It's hard to justify tanking on a large scale to improve an organization and then also criticize it on a small scale when done by someone else.

[BatManu20]

Yea honestly if I were the Mavs, I would’ve purposely lost that game too tbh. They needed that pick badly and it was obvious they would’ve been a first round exit with how awful their defense was. It’s ty optics for sure and we’d never really seen that before, but strategically it was 100% the right move tbh.

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its less than 1 mil above the MLE over the course of 4 years. its probable that williams would still agree to it if push came to shove, imo

And Boston can still match, and likely would, being deprived of picks, just to Cuban back. , we’d probably agree to broker the inevitable trade for cheap , again to get back at Cuban.

[spurraider21]

And Boston can still match, and likely would, being deprived of picks, just to Cuban back. , we’d probably agree to broker the inevitable trade for cheap , again to get back at Cuban.

all true

[RC_Drunkford]

Gotta thank the Mavs for throwing that game, cause otherwise Wemby would be a Rocket right now

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I'm no Cuban defender, but the Spurs threw an entire season in a gamble and won it by landing Wembanyama. It's hard to justify tanking on a large scale to improve an organization and then also criticize it on a small scale when done by someone else.

Meh. Let's see if anyone trades a conditional pick with him ever again.

[duncan2150]

https://hoopswire.com/mavs-could-be-...an-bogdanovic/

[spurraider21]

guess we had time for that reaves offer sheet after all

[Mugen]

guess we had time for that reaves offer sheet after all

This

[ace3g]

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Noice!

[spurraider21]

didnt think anybody would reneg or anything but nice to see it official

really curious to see what happens with the roster spots. we either have to consolidate via trade, or just start outright waiving guys.

the 2 obvious waives to get us down to 15 would be Stevens and Birch. gets interesting past that if we need to make room for Cissoko, or even Barlow. Mamu probably goes next, followed by one of Cedi or Bullock

hopefully we find ways to make trades

[John B]

So the FRP swap is unprotected??? Sweet