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god they really need to make at least one more trade to make this whole offseason make sense. Anything that gets rid of a few contracts and brings in a starting caliber point guard would do it.
I think that’s hard when most everyone on this board seems to have an unhealthy obsession with the 13th-15th guy on the roster.
god they really need to make at least one more trade to make this whole offseason make sense. Anything that gets rid of a few contracts and brings in a starting caliber point guard would do it.
Agree. Are any likely to become available?
Point Guards that fit the timeline that could be available in theory:
Darius Garland
Monte Morris
Kevin Porter Jr. Lol
Markelle Fultz
Jalen Suggs
Cole Anthony
Tyus Jones lol
Tyler Herro: more of a 2 guard but whatever
It already makes sense. They took on players to get draft captal. They took on players because they had to make a salary floor.
So there's no explanation needed beyond this.
However, they pinpointed decent veteran players who often have playoff experience and are on expiring deals.
This suggests there is something else in mind for them.
If the Spurs really cut a 1st round pick from last year to keep Bullock...who is trash...and Osman...who is almost trash...Wemby needs to immediately ask for a trade tbh
Imagine cutting a 1st round pick for marginal rotational players while your team is still bad
This team played Keldon out of position for two years though so anything can happen
Bullock and Osman are trash with size, and thus nba players. Wesley is playing below jones, cissoko, Payne, graham. Will have to fight sisdoko and rice to get minutes in austin.If the Spurs really cut a 1st round pick from last year to keep Bullock...who is trash...and Osman...who is almost trash...Wemby needs to immediately ask for a trade tbh
Imagine cutting a 1st round pick for marginal rotational players while your team is still bad
This team played Keldon out of position for two years though so anything can happen
It might be for his own benefit to leave because he Won't get minutes this year, and every year after gets harder
Blake Wesley is now so bad he'll be fighting for minutes in Austin?
I don't get it about Wesley. He was an iffy 25th pick, didn't do much in the regular season, and didn't impress in summer league this year. To keep him he would have to be better than Payne - he's not, Graham - he's not, Jones - definitely not. Even Sissoko and Rice looked better at times in the same summer league where Wesley looked rather mediocre for non rookie.
The spurs have some tough choices to make. Keep the not so promising 2nd year player or cut a veteran who makes more but can probably help the team more in the short term. What sucks is that both probably won't be here next year. Maybe another team can help us out with a trade.
Why would you keep a veteran when we already have veterans, and who won't get any better and who won't be here after a season, over a twenty year old who is still developing?
Someone needs to explain this mentality because it doesn't make any sense.
People have explained it multiple times. You just freak out and act like they're stupid when they do.
Vets being (way) better now matters. The Spurs need some stability on the floor, especially at PG, now that they have a star prospect they're trying to build around. They need competent guard play, and last year they only sort of had it with Jones on the court. That standard needs to rise. Jones needs actual compe ion for him spot, and the team needs backups at or near his level. They can't afford the summer-league guard play when they're trying to evaluate their roster. And as has been pointed out multiple times before, vets can be on the roster beyond this year. Only Bullock is over 30. Graham is signed for another year already. There's zero reason why a guy who's playing well for the team can't stick around. Over the timeline that matters, the Spurs don't have a reason to worry about anyone in question getting too old.
The Spurs have plenty (too many) opportunities to add PG prospects, both now and in the next few years. The opportunity cost on moving Wesley is really low. There are comparable prospects sitting and the end of rosters throughout the league. One or two of them may find their way to competency (like Payne eventually did himself), but their availability for cheap whenever is a constant. The team also has the picks to draft another PG prospect next year. They'll likely end up doing so anyway over the next couple of years. When you have a lot of draft picks, you have a lot of players. Unless you suck at drafting, a lot of players you have will have shown something worth being picked in the first place. You still have to move on from some. The secondary market for prospects sometimes turns up good. The Spurs have benefitted from other teams' roster crunches. That's the nature of things, not something to dread.
Locks:
Jones
Vassell, Branham, Champangie
Johnson
Wembanayam, Sochan
Near-locks:
McDermott
Collins, Bassey
Would be a lock if signed:
Barlow
Likely to make the team if signed:
Cissoko
That's 12 players. There are three slots available for:
Graham, Payne, Wesley
Bullock
Osman, Mamukelashvili
Birch
Birch is an obvious cut barring some miracle turn-around. So we're talking about six guys for three slots (or four if Cissoko ends up staying in Europe). I know folks want to just assume all the vets are going to get cut to make room for Welsey and Mamu, but as KBD/Samanic and Butler/Freddette showed, the Spurs reward camp play. I'd put Wesley as having the best chance of the lot to make it, but with Branham possibly playing his position and some legit compe ion for him, he doesn't have to. Unlike any other bubble player, Blake is eligible for a two-way contract. It's arguable that him signing one would be best for both sides. He gets more money and gets to see free agency sooner, and the Spurs get a roster spot while still maintaining some long-term control over an asset. I know some people would be worried about Wesley getting claimed. But honestly as I've pointed out plenty of teams have comparable guys at the end of their rosters already, and fewer teams have the exception or cap space to put in a claim. The Spurs could make it even less palatable by picking up his option in conjunction with waiving him.
It's not difficult to explain. Wesley was one of the worst players in the NBA last season and struggled even in summer league. He could be useful for tanking purposes if that's the plan, He should get zero minutes in the NBA if we want to win and that would hurt his development further. Compare him to Sochan and Branham and it's obvious we got two of three draft picks right, which is probably better than expected.
This isn't an explanation, it's just lists.
Still haven't heard a good rationale why suddenly you guys have a hard on to cut a developmental player over guys you barely knew existed a month ago.
It's legitimately cloud cuckoo land at this point. It makes utterly no sense whatsoever.
But go ahead and make your lists again.
If teams cut every rookie that didn't immediately turn out there would be no players in the league.
C'mon guys, try harder.
you're just being obtuse
nobody can force you to agree with the explanation. but pretending like explanations arent being given and going on with that charade is just you operating in bad faith
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I think they explained it pretty well. Basically, Wesley has some things working for him (age, contract that is cost controled, and upside) and he has things working against him (vets who are currently better to play along side Wemby). The FO will have to evaluate those and decide. I don't think it's automatic either way. In most years you go with upside, but with Wemby on the roster having better players around him may outweigh that? Just not sure..If teams cut every rookie that didn't immediately turn out there would be no players in the league.
C'mon guys, try harder.
At any rate, I personally think there's a consolidation trade on the horizon that clears this up. If its with Miami i think the most likely outcome is we keep Wesley, move out vets, and take Lowry.... however, if the FO values Herro then I could see Wesley included to Portland as one of the 'young players with upside' they need to justify their asking price'.
Body is also ignoring that waiving Wesley wouldn't necessarily be the end of his time with the organization. He may be assuming a team will snatch him up instantly. But that's not all that likely. He was not that high of a draft pick, and it's not like he performed all that well last year. Players who have performed a little like Champ, Mamu and Bass were also waived. Other interesting prospects will be waived by other teams. Most clubs don't have the means or space to snatch him up, and he hasn't given a bunch of reasons to be the team that does so. Yes, if the Spurs really like him, they aren't going to expose him to waivers trying to get him on a two-way. They have to be willing to risk losing him. But this is no different than an NFL team waiving a draft pick to put him on the practice squad. Sometimes they get claimed. But they make it through way more than worrying fans assume they will. If it's not with Wes, it will be with a future prospect that the Spurs run this risk. If they lose him, whatever. But I'd put their chances of being able to sign him as being quite high if they time it right.
So we're going to pretend the Spurs front office is as impulsive, fickle, and besotted with short-term thinking as SpursTalk is.
The Spurs have waived underperforming first-rounders during their first or second camps multiple times. They have proven they are willing to do it.
Basically, my impulsive, fickle, short-termer friends:
Cam Payne - no future with this team
Reggie Bullock - no future with this team
etc. - no future with this team
Blake Wesley, who for some reason must have murdered your grandmother - potential future with this team
That's it. That's the thinking the Spurs have made very, very explicit in how they're taking this summer. They're not going to make costly mistakes. They're going to see what they have.
That's it. I still see no explanation why you think Blake was ready to be developed this summer and play during summer activities and then suddenly they want to blow him out of the water. I think it's just deep personal bias of people on this board, an animus against a player that is causing cloudy thinking. But go on I suppose.
Samanic we've already covered. Primo wasn't because of basketball. You know this, right?
Not talking about them. Talking about Anderson and Jean-Charles.
The hurt guys?
And yet, the Spurs (and every other team) has waived young guys many times before in lieu of vets who out perform them. Payne, Bullock, Graham and Osman could easily have a future with the team if they re-sign him. You seem to be harping over a "longer" future with the team, like in 5-7 years. But that's not the only timeline that matters -- it might not matter much at all. I saw this on RGM:
https://twitter.com/LawMurrayTheNU/s...882start%3D180
( ing Twitter being gross) The following is the text of the Tweet linked above.
How much does the NBA change over in 5 years?
None of the 30 NBA teams have more than 4 players left from the 2018-19 rosters
8 teams have no players left from the 2018-19 season
Trying to pretend like the Spurs can be assumed to prioritize guys years and years out at the expense of this season is off-base. Wesley isn't likely to be on the team in five years regardless. Basically no one besides Wembyanama is a particular lock. Sochan is up there, but even he's only likely rather than certain.
Last edited by Chinook; 07-18-2023 at 12:26 PM.
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