Does Hamas know they have zero credibility? Of course they blew up that Hospital. Killing their own women and children is exactly what they do.
This would not be the least bit surprising.
Israel has been using a lot of missiles though. I don’t know the area well enough if it’s possibly a mistake. It’s happened before. And if Hamas was using the hospital in some way….
Logic argues the Israeli's want this conflict off the front page. Doesn't make sense for them to bomb a hospital.
This is classic conflict of strong vs oppressed. The militant group wants this front page, people discussing, people getting upset.
But yes mistakes with trajectiles occurs.
& now it's adequately fogged so that Israel can rest it's head.
tee, hee.
Good point.
Bombing a hospital before the expected Gaza invasion even occurs doesn't add up
If Islamic Jihad has missiles that can level hospitals, why haven't they used them against Israel yet?
Don't have answer. Hamas rockets into Israel seem random and doubt Israeli's build such infrastructure near border.
Imagine saying Frostking has a good point.
Israel doesn't give a about the media. If they didn't, they wouldn't be massacring children. They believe they have a mandate from God and they're going to use it. The idea that they're attempting to downplay a war given the bombastic statements they've been making is absurdly hilarious.
???? They do and have.
Israel happens to have one of the best anti-missile defense systems in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket
Okay you don't sound at all bias on the subject.Imagine saying Frostking has a good point.
Israel doesn't give a about the media. If they didn't, they wouldn't be massacring children. They believe they have a mandate from God and they're going to use it. The idea that they're attempting to downplay a war given the bombastic statements they've been making is absurdly hilarious.
I have no horse in the race. Probably more Muslim friends I can dial up at the moment than Jewish anyway. I'm moving to Berlin early in 2024.
What other choice did they have, Cry? Once again like in the '30s' with Hitler, then with Idi Amin in the '70's they got caught short in broad daylight and had to eat it swearing on the Good Book each time it wouldn't happen again. yahoo just got done gettin' off the hot seat for stealin' , they give him the Presidency, or, whatever the they're calling it this month and he promptly s the kosher bed. Biden can't think straight and immediately thumbs up yahoo's vow to massacre Ham and anybody else twixt him & said Ham. Now Biden is getting panic struck because he-like-me figured it was gonna stay strictly twixt the Jews & Ham, even though you just know Blinken told him the opposite, but it was after Biden opened up his big mouth and gave yahoo his and America's blessing to blast hair all over those walls.Imagine saying Frostking has a good point.
Israel doesn't give a about the media. If they didn't, they wouldn't be massacring children. They believe they have a mandate from God and they're going to use it. The idea that they're attempting to downplay a war given the bombastic statements they've been making is absurdly hilarious.
Don't change the subject. You're trying to equivocate, but the topic was "is Israel concerned about the media" and we can plainly see that they aren't, as they've made multiple announcements about offensives and how hot of a war they're bringing.
But to answer your question, they have plenty of choices. The ones they're making now? It's just going to cause more terrorist cells to crop up. More young lives being thrown away because they're terrified of the US-funded Israeli army. More kids who don't have futures to begin with being given a gun and some food. What would you do in their shoes? Starve? Or take up arms against a sea of troubles and fight?
It's funny how constantly I hear the drum banged about morals going out the window when the chips are down, but in this case the people in Gaza are expected to just curl up, fetal, and waste away.
...that's not the choice of "the people in Gaza." yahoo made that choice, in the blink of an eye when Ham nailed him up came that Saturday morn. Biden emboldened yahoo's choice, made it legitimate. "They, Joe, he told me I could. Sure, I'd already started slaughtering Ham and Gazan's but Biden said I could. See, look here's his exacts words, uh, Jewish media members, I see some familiar CNN faces assembled here as well. Thank you, for crossing over so quickly. I blinked and you're here. Am I right though, Joe said I could leave more than a score among them?" CNN attendees quickly nodded with that grave look upon their countenance like it's the end of the world, they have that look down pat.
The people of Gaza don't matter, not to Biden, not to yahoo, not to Ham, nor that IDF thingy that failed miserably 2 weeks ago come Saturday morn. They don't give a tinker's dam about Gazan's. Their stick figures; the more there are the higher the kill count so that the Jews can get their vengeance, sate their hatred at getting caught once again with their yamaka off/pants down.
Me? I hope with every fiber of my being that whatever happens is bad for that sucker squattin' in the White House and the pile of puss yahoo can go back and his mother some more. I hope they (Jew & Muslim alike) storm the castle, drag his ass out into the street and nail him up upon the Tree of Woe.
Of course they do.Imagine saying Frostking has a good point.
Israel doesn't give a about the media. If they didn't, they wouldn't be massacring children. They believe they have a mandate from God and they're going to use it. The idea that they're attempting to downplay a war given the bombastic statements they've been making is absurdly hilarious.
Especially right now.
Why does Israel make the concerted effort to show the massacre at the concert and the attack to begin with? And they are still letting the press have access to all the families who have children captured by Hamas? They are showing every village on the border that got over run.
Its perfectly ridiculous to say they dont care about the media. You dont think they need to play up the revenge angle? Seriously? For domestic and foreign consumption. I dont know what your definition of "the media" is because apparently you dont have access to all of it. This sounds more like what the red team would say, "the media... "
If you'd read my I just preceded this with my which is identical to your , but my is first, ya damn ignoring , you.
1) Because the Iron Dome would stop them
2) Hamas frequently stores weapons at hospitals, so it could very well be the case that Hamas misfired a missile that hit the hospital and caused other to blow up
Sorry but I’m not giving any credibility to what the terrorist group that’s currently holding 100s of Israeli women hostage as sex slaves says.
A malfunctioning rocket igniting a munitions depot at the hospital makes the most sense. But it doesn’t matter; the Arab street has made up its mind and Arab governments have very little room to navigate before popular rage towards Israel destabilizes their countries. There is little chance this war stays confined to Israel and Hamas.
Oh no, Israel cares very much about the media, especially in the West. They have to hide their aggression in the West Bank in plain sight.Imagine saying Frostking has a good point.
Israel doesn't give a about the media. If they didn't, they wouldn't be massacring children. They believe they have a mandate from God and they're going to use it. The idea that they're attempting to downplay a war given the bombastic statements they've been making is absurdly hilarious.
Israel is very credible. They have been "settling" Palestine for decades, in the past week have been straight up threatening them with genocide, and since they are credible, why don't you believe them when it actually happens?
Killing your own women and children is ed up, now explain how killing other women and children is better? Are we supposed to pretend that Israel doesn't kill Palestinian women and children??
OCTOBER 17, 2023 ANNOUNCEMENTS
Public Statement: Scholars Warn of Potential Genocide in Gaza
On 15 October 2023, over 800 scholars and prac ioners of international law, conflict studies and genocide studies signed a public statement warning of the possibility of genocide being perpetrated by Israeli forces against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. Signatories include prominent Holocaust and genocide studies scholars, as well as many international law and TWAIL scholars. The text of the statement and list of signatures is below, and a pdf version can be accessed here.
Public Statement: Scholars Warn of Potential Genocide in Gaza
15 October 2023
As scholars and prac ioners of international law, conflict studies and genocide studies, we are compelled to sound the alarm about the possibility of the crime of genocide being perpetrated by Israeli forces against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. We do not do so lightly, recognising the weight of this crime, but the gravity of the current situation demands it.
The pre-existing conditions in the Gaza Strip had already prompted discussions of genocide prior to the current escalation – such as by the National Lawyers Guild in 2014, the Russell Tribunal on Palestine in 2014, and the Center for Cons utional Rights in 2016. Scholars have warned over the years that the siege of Gaza may amount to a “prelude to genocide” or a “slow-motion genocide”. The prevalence of racist and dehumanising language and hate speech in social media was also noted in a warning issued in July 2014 by the UN Special Adviser on the Prevention of Genocide and Special Adviser on the Responsibility to Protect, in response to Israel’s conduct against the protected Palestinian population. The Special Advisers noted that individual Israelis had disseminated messages that could be dehumanising to the Palestinians and that had called for the killing of members of this group, and reiterated that incitement to commit atrocity crimes is prohibited under international law.
Israel’s current military offensive on the Gaza Strip since 7 October 2023, however, is unprecedented in scale and severity, and consequently in its ramifications for the population of Gaza. Following the incursion by Palestinian armed groups on 7 October 2023, including criminal attacks against Israeli civilians, the Gaza Strip has been subjected to incessant and indiscriminate bombardment by Israeli forces. Between 7 October and 9:00 a.m. on 15 October, there have been 2,329 Palestinians killed and 9,042 Palestinians injured in Israeli attacks on Gaza, including over 724 children, huge swathes of neighbourhoods and entire families across Gaza have been obliterated. Israel’s Defence Minister ordered a “complete siege” of the Gaza Strip prohibiting the supply of fuel, electricity, water and other essential necessities. This terminology itself indicates an intensification of an already illegal, potentially genocidal siege to an outright destructive assault.
Late on 12 October, the Israeli authorities issued an order for more than 1.1million Palestinians in Gaza City and the northern Gaza Strip to leave their homes and flee to the south of Gaza within 24 hours, knowing that this would be practically impossible for many. Palestinians who did start to evacuate south reported that civilians and ambulances were targeted and hit by Israeli airstrikes on the designated “safe route”, killing at least 70 Palestinians who were fleeing to seek refuge. The ICRC stated that “the evacuation orders, coupled with the complete siege” are incompatible with international humanitarian law. Almost half a million Palestinians have already been displaced, and Israeli forces have bombed the only possible exit route that Israel does not control, the Rafah crossing to Egypt multiple times. The World Health Organisation published a warning that “[f]orcing more than 2000 patients to relocate to southern Gaza, where health facilities are already running at maximum capacity and unable to absorb a dramatic rise in the number patients, could be tantamount to a death sentence”.
There has also been an escalation of violence, arrests, expulsions, and destruction of whole Palestinian communities in the occupied West Bank and Jerusalem. Since 7 October, Israeli settlers, with the backing of the army and police, have attacked and shot Palestinian civilians at point blank range (as do ented in the villages of a-Tuwani and Qusra), have invaded their homes and assaulted residents. A number of Palestinian communities have already been forced to abandon their homes, after which settlers arrived and destroyed their property. Between 7 – 15 October, Al-Haq do ented the killing by Israeli military and settlers of 55 Palestinians in the West Bank, and more the injury of 1,200 Palestinians there.
Statements of Israeli officials since 7 October 2023 suggest that beyond the killings and restriction of basic conditions for life perpetrated against Palestinians in Gaza, there are also indications that the ongoing and imminent Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip are being conducted with potentially genocidal intent. Language used by Israeli political and military figures appears to reproduce rhetoric and tropes associated with genocide and incitement to genocide. Dehumanising descriptions of Palestinians have been prevalent. Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant declared on 9 October that “we are fighting human animals and we act accordingly”. He subsequently announced that Israel was moving to “a full-scale response” and that he had “removed every restriction” on Israeli forces, as well as stating: “Gaza won’t return to what it was before. We will eliminate everything.” On 10 October, the head of the Israeli army’s Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT), Maj. Gen. Ghassan Alian, addressed a message directly to Gaza residents: “Human animals must be treated as such. There will be no electricity and no water, there will only be destruction. You wanted , you will get ”. The same day, Israeli army spokesperson Daniel Hagari acknowledged the wanton and intentionally destructive nature of Israel’s bombing campaign in Gaza: “The emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy.”
Since 2007, Israel has defined the Gaza Strip as a whole as an “enemy en y”. On 7 October, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Gazans would pay an “immense price” for the actions of Hamas fighters. He asserted that Israel will wage a prolonged offensive and will turn parts of Gaza’s densely populated urban centres “into rubble”. Israel’s President emphasised that the Israeli authorities view the entire Palestinian population of Gaza as responsible for the actions of militant groups, and subject accordingly to collective punishment and unrestricted use of force: “It is an entire nation out there that is responsible. It is not true this rhetoric about civilians not being aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true”. Israeli Minister of Energy and Infrastructure Israel Katz added: “All the civilian population in Gaza is ordered to leave immediately. We will win. They will not receive a drop of water or a single battery until they leave the world.”
Evidence of incitement to genocide has also been present in Israeli public discourse. This ranges from statements by elected officials – such as Knesset member Ariel Kallner’s call on 7 October for “one goal: Nakba! [catastrophe for Palestinians] A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 1948” – to public banners displayed in Israeli cities calling for a “victory” signified by “zero population in Gaza” and the “annihilation of Gaza”. On national television, security correspondent Alon Ben David relayed the Israeli military’s plan to destroy Gaza City, Jabaliyya, Beit Lahiya, and Beit Hanun. Such statements are not new and resonate with a wider Israeli discourse showcasing the intent for elimination and genocide against the Palestinian people. Earlier in the year, for example, Israeli Minister of Finance Bezalel Smotrich called Palestinians “repugnant”, “disgusting” and called for “wiping out” the entire Palestinian village of Huwwara in the West Bank.
On 12 October 2023, a group of UN Special Rapporteurs’ condemned “Israel’s indiscriminate military attacks against the already exhausted Palestinian people of Gaza, comprising over 2.3 million people, nearly half of whom are children. They have lived under unlawful blockade for 16 years, and already gone through five major brutal wars, which remain unaccounted for”. The UN experts warned against “the withholding of essential supplies such as food, water, electricity and medicines. Such actions will precipitate a severe humanitarian crisis in Gaza, where its population is now at inescapable risk of starvation. Intentional starvation is a crime against humanity”. On 14 October 2023, the UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the occupied Palestinian territory warnedagainst “a repeat of the 1948 Nakba, and the 1967 Naksa, yet on a larger scale” as Israel carries out “mass ethnic cleansing of Palestinians under the fog of war”.
The Palestinian people cons ute a national group for the purposes of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (the Genocide Convention). The Palestinians of the Gaza Strip cons ute a substantial proportion of the Palestinian nation, and are being targeted by Israel because they are Palestinian. The Palestinian population of Gaza appears to be presently subjected by the Israeli forces and authorities to widespread killing, bodily and mental harm, and unviable conditions of life – against a backdrop of Israeli statements which evidence signs of intent to physically destroy the population.
Article II of the Genocide Convention provides that “genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.”
All states are bound as a matter of law by the principle that genocide is a crime prohibited under international law. The International Court of Justice has affirmed that the prohibition of genocide is a peremptory norm of international law from which no derogation is allowed. The Convention provides that individuals who attempt genocide or who incite to genocide “shall be punished, whether they are cons utionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals”.
Article I of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide provides that: “The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish”. The International Court of Justice has clarified that “a State’s obligation to prevent, and the corresponding duty to act, arise at the instant that the State learns of, or should normally have learned of, the existence of a serious risk that genocide will be committed. From that moment onwards, if the State has available to it means likely to have a deterrent effect on those suspected of preparing genocide, or reasonably suspected of harbouring specific intent (dolus specialis), it is under a duty to make such use of these means as the cir stances permit”.
Palestinian human rights organisations, Jewish civil society groups, Holocaust and genocide studies scholars and others have by now warned of an imminent genocide against the Palestinian population in Gaza. We emphasise the existence of a serious risk of genocide being committed in the Gaza Strip.
The undersigned urgently appeal to states to take concrete and meaningful steps to individually and collectively prevent genocidal acts, in line with their legal duty to prevent the crime of genocide. They must protect the Palestinian population, and ensure that Israel refrains from any further incitement to genocide and from the perpetration of conduct prohibited by Article II of the Genocide Convention.
All states should immediately act under Article VIII, and should call upon the competent organs of the United Nations, particularly the UN General Assembly, to take urgent action under the Charter of the United Nations appropriate for the prevention and suppression of acts of genocide. We note specifically the role of the General Assembly here, given that the Security Council is compromised by the United States and the United Kingdom (both permanent veto-holding members) sending military forces to the eastern Mediterranean in support of Israel.
We recall that in 1982, the General Assembly condemned the massacre of Palestinian civilians in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps as “an act of genocide”. We note also that the state of Palestine is en led to initiate, in accordance with Article IX of the Genocide Convention, proceedings before the International Court of Justice in order to prevent the perpetration of genocidal acts.
Finally, we call on all relevant UN bodies, including the Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect, as well as the Office of the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court to immediately intervene, to carry out the necessary investigations and invoke the necessary warning procedures to protect the Palestinian population from genocide.
Ummm happens in war. U think every single bomb dropped lands on their intended target?
It also doesnt help Israel demanded the evacuation of this hospital before its bombing.
Thats why unshould not ruthlessly bomb civilian populations like this. Class A Warcrime
exaclty
The spin here is
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