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    (cue circus music and clowns emerging from a tiny car)

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/26/polit...ine/index.html
    Judge defends fining Trump $10,000 for breaking gag order.

    The sanctions against Trump stemmed from his comments in the hallway of the courthouse during a break in the trial Wednesday, while Cohen, his former attorney and fixer, was on the stand.

    “This judge is a very partisan judge with a person who is very partisan sitting alongside him – perhaps even much more partisan than he is,” Trump said.

    Engoron had put a gag order in place the first week of the trial after Trump had posted on social media attacking his clerk.

    The judge also issued a written order expanding on the ruling from Wednesday.

    “Using imprecise language as an excuse to create plausible ambiguity about whether defendant violated this Court’s unequivocal gag order is not a defense; the subject of Donald Trump’s public statement to the press was unmistakably clear,” the judge wrote Thursday. “As the trier of fact, I find that Donald Trump was referring to my Principal Law Clerk, as such, he has intentionally violated the gag order.”
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    we all KNOW this is not the last time him shooting his mouth off is going to get him in trouble.

    Bet you a beer that it happens again.
    Already did. Trump's appeal of the gag order in Chutkan's court will fail in part due to his intimidation post of Meadows. Trump continues to be an attorney's worst nightmare: a client who won't shut up and never pays.

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    Already did. Trump's appeal of the gag order in Chutkan's court will fail in part due to his intimidation post of Meadows. Trump continues to be an attorney's worst nightmare: a client who won't shut up and never pays.
    The only real question is will he end up in actual jail?

    There is a non-zero chance he could land in an actual jail for some stupid tweet that violates a gag order. This dude has never had to face consequences of his actions before, and it running headlong into it like a spoiled child.

    I will not be surprised if it happens.

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    The only real question is will he end up in actual jail?

    There is a non-zero chance he could land in an actual jail for some stupid tweet that violates a gag order. This dude has never had to face consequences of his actions before, and it running headlong into it like a spoiled child.

    I will not be surprised if it happens.
    My thought is that it is part of his strategy. Get jailed to further drum up support from his base for the election. His only way to avoid prison at this point is to win the election.

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    My thought is that it is part of his strategy. Get jailed to further drum up support from his base for the election. His only way to avoid prison at this point is to win the election.
    I don't disagree but you know how pissed off Trump must've been when the judge put him on the stand, made him act out his duplicity on the record, and then censure him.

    It certainly look like the groundwork is being laid to censure him more severely each time he does it.

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    I don't disagree but you know how pissed off Trump must've been when the judge put him on the stand, made him act out his duplicity on the record, and then censure him.

    It certainly look like the groundwork is being laid to censure him more severely each time he does it.
    Yeah, I think there is a fine line these judges are trying to walk, realizing the Trump is essentially baiting them into revoking his bail conditions. The NY Judge is playing it right, but I don't think jail time is a consideration in this case, just fines.

    Chutkan, McAfee, and I guess Cannon all have a different tightrope to walk (esp. Chutkan where Trump appears most defiant). Also wonder if the Trump team sees revocation of bail and jailing as a possible delay tactic as well.

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    Yeah, I think there is a fine line these judges are trying to walk, realizing the Trump is essentially baiting them into revoking his bail conditions. The NY Judge is playing it right, but I don't think jail time is a consideration in this case, just fines.

    Chutkan, McAfee, and I guess Cannon all have a different tightrope to walk (esp. Chutkan where Trump appears most defiant). Also wonder if the Trump team sees revocation of bail and jailing as a possible delay tactic as well.
    I don't think it is really a thought-out strategy. You give him too much credit.

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    I don't think it is really a thought-out strategy. You give him too much credit.
    ...that's how we got here from 7 years ago there because you gave him to much credit while he was diggin' your in' grave, RG.

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    I don't disagree but you know how pissed off Trump must've been when the judge put him on the stand, made him act out his duplicity on the record, and then censure him.

    It certainly look like the groundwork is being laid to censure him more severely each time he does it.
    Exactly. And, as scott noted each of the judges has to walk a certain line.

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    Exactly. And, as scott noted each of the judges has to walk a certain line.
    The appellate courts are awaitin', daddy-O.

    Supreme at the last.

    You'd better double down on Thomas, RG. If you can't end him, you're ed.

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    Ivanka to testify.

    Ivanka Trump must testify at her father’s civil fraud trial, judge rules
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/27/polit...dge/index.html

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    Ivanka to testify.

    Ivanka Trump must testify at her father’s civil fraud trial, judge rules
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/27/polit...dge/index.html
    American Democracy.

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    Trump's so-called kids were either part of his government, part of his business, or both. They weren't innocent bystanders to the fraud or the misgovernment.

    Actions have consequences.

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    Trump's so-called kids were either part of his government, part of his business, or both. They weren't innocent bystanders to the fraud or the misgovernment.

    Actions have consequences.
    Not always, Winester. Not by a jugful in truth. The highest ranking soldier in the land threatened to shoot President Trump to death on his last day in office and nothing happened to General Milley. He extended some half-ass apology and that was it.

    P.S., American Democracy.

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    Chesebro sings, Trump was directly involved in the fake elector scheme.


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    Chesebro sings, Trump was directly involved in the fake elector scheme.


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    Chesebro sings, Trump was directly involved in the fake elector scheme.

    We already knew this was coming tbh

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    We already knew this was coming tbh

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    Chesebro sings, Trump was directly involved in the fake elector scheme.


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    We already knew this was coming tbh
    Posted to inform posters ignoring or not following the trial. Bound to be more than a few Trumpistas who can't bear to look.

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    Posted to inform posters ignoring or not following the trial. Bound to be more than a few Trumpistas who can't bear to look.
    Please.

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    Who leaked the proffer tapes?

    The lawyer for one of the defendant's.

    Towards the end of the hearing, shortly after the attorney for Harrison Floyd adamantly denied press reports that he was the leader, Misty Hampton's lawyer Jonathan Miller confessed that it was him. He asserted that he had a first amendment right to disseminate the information to the public. The judge agreed that Georgia case law was thin on that point but did not agree that such a right necessarily took precedence over the ability of the prosecutors to protect their witnesses from threat and harassment.
    https://www.meidastouch.com/news/tru...leaking-videos

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    Who leaked the proffer tapes?

    The lawyer for one of the defendant's.

    https://www.meidastouch.com/news/tru...leaking-videos

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