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It’s frustrating to see people who are like five years old and don’t understand that short term goals sometimes should be sacrificed for long term goals.
Sean said during the broadcast that Pop said they are "just observing" Vic, implying that they aren't influencing the way he plays yet.
It’s frustrating to see people who are like five years old and don’t understand that short term goals sometimes should be sacrificed for long term goals.
Drafting in the teens and twenties will get you the same caliber players that the Spurs have now.
Finding late draft pick talent like Parker and Manu won't be easy to pull off again.
After watching 8 Spurs games and basketball for the last 50 years...I would say this is one of the worst coached basketball teams I've ever seen at the pro level.
The talent they do have, is floundering with no direction. I feel for the players. But, not too much...they're getting paid millions to put up with it.
The fans are the ones who are really getting the shaft in all this.
Rack it.
Serious Q:
Is there a worse coach in the NBA right now?
I think he's just observing the rest of the team as well
Job listing.
"Senior citizen wanted for long periods of observing, travel. Must be able to sit for long stretches and take airplane rides, with or without Depends."
or if he would gtfoh
That sums it up.
It's frustrating to read folks that justify just about everything the management does.
Yes, because they know nothing about player development or team building.
I’m surprised that there is anyone left posting here. Surely,NBA front offices should be snapping all of you people who are smarter than PATFO up, and offering you jobs.
guy who makes account on forums for all 30 teams and just says "everything they are doing is right" in every threadYes, because they know nothing about player development or team building.
I’m surprised that there is anyone left posting here. Surely,NBA front offices should be snapping all of you people who are smarter than PATFO up, and offering you jobs.
It doesn't matter where we draft, Pop is going to reach for projects and bypass the obvious talent
he stinks. who is a sorrier coach right now
Here is why this seems brilliant. Vic has a high BBIQ and wants to win. He also is used to being the superstar on every team he has ever been on and has always been the best player on any court. The best way to get him on board with honest evaluations might to let him get frustrated. Also, it's important to see what he does well. An ironic example is that he is the best high-low passer on the squad.
I'm not saying this is what Pop is doing, but if he were a good coach, this is what he should be doing.
Right, because Victor Wembanyama isn’t on our squad, because we passed on him.
In the last four drafts, with lottery picks, we did that exactly once.
It's amazing. The Spurs pull gem after gem in the draft. At least the re wing of Spurs fans have forgotten to criticize Brian Wright.
The ones expecting Wright to hit on every single pick still pop their heads up every now and then.
"but but but Lonnie and Samanic and Primo"
Though it's hard to disentangle the drafting process from player development. Personally I think the Spurs are okay to good at drafting and great at player development.
i dont really have a problem with the lonnie pick. didnt work out, sometimes that happens
samanic and primo picks were bad instantly
like, i dont think LJC was inherently a bad pick. he got unlucky with injuries. but milutinov pick never made sense.
its context specific, not just a question of whether or not the pick panned out
Let me get this straight.
You're proposing don't throw him wide open lobs / reward sprint aheads where he's beating everyone down the court so that he can get frustrated and thus be better evaluated?
I think he is saying "let the NBA help him get over himself while we figure out what's good and what needs work".Let me get this straight.
You're proposing don't throw him wide open lobs / reward sprint aheads where he's beating everyone down the court so that he can get frustrated and thus be better evaluated?
That's not a bad argument, but I am still going to be annoyed about the walk-up threes early in the clock on a non-rebounding team from a 30% shooter and the insistence on not being near the rim in general on offense until the moment he figures these things out..
Why would you say it's context specific, then declare Milutinov pick (which had a specific reason - not spending money on a player at that moment) not making any sense? That's ambivalent.
Same with the others. Primo I get, but Luka? He had great physical tools, an intriguing toolset, and one of the FO higher-ups had scouted him in Europe. That's hard from a bad pick at what, #17? #15? You can go through the last 10 drafts and see actual bad picks there.
Luka just had to care. He never learned to, and was cut. Same way many, many prospects "just need to learn to shoot" or "just need to learn to play good defense" and just never do. That doesn't make a bad pick (to be clear, a bad pick would be taking them anyway, without the existence of a clear potential "good scenario"). Some people get it, and some never do, and you just can't know it when you're drafting rookies with no college experience. They're 18 or 19yo, what the do they know about life? Much less how they themselves will grow to play.
Blame the NBA drafting system and the going away from college experience model, if you feel like pointing fingers. Show me the last pick who had 4 years of college play to learn and grow, and never hustled or cared, but was drafted anyway. Sure wasn't Luka's story...
if we are going to say "not spending money" as a legitimate purpose to drafting a certain player, then the solution is to trade the pick, not take a player who had a very slim chance of over making it over, and also having a very limited skill set in the modern nba
as for samanic, it was kind of just a wild reach on a guy who many saw as a 2nd round prospect. his skill set was intriguing but was very much a project pick
Good point, to which I counter-argue, there's only a trade if two parts want one. We don't know if, and how hard, they tried trading the pick at the time. But I hardly care about that, it was just an example to prove my point - a pick that has a thinking behind it, is only a bad pick insofar as the thinking behind it is bad or flawed. Seeing as the Spurs really were cash-strapped at the time, you can at least understand it. It's not a "let's take Ayton over Luka because he's Phoenix-born and raised" type of flawed thinking scenario.
Re. Sammich, well, again, what may be "wild" or "dumb" to us fans, can be the exact opposite on the eyes of the FO - a professional, dedicated to basketball, front office. We know for a fact Luka was scouted heavily by RC, so why do you call it a "wild reach"? The Spurs were clearly planning on it (they even took him with their first pick, having Keldon miraculously fall to their laps anyway - that was a lucky pick). I don't care how many people (you mean people on here? the lowest of the low in terms of actual analysis?).
Of course he was a project pick. That was like, the whole plan, which is again my point. Having a plan and it not working out in the end =///= throwing at the wall and hoping it sticks. The Spurs, by all accounts, tend to operate on the former, and it's mostly dwellers on here, who cannot understand the workings of a FO, that insist and triple-down on everything being caused by stupidity or ineptness.
At the end of the day, 5 rings speak for themselves, and yet look at the le of the thread we're in. Some people just can't tell up from down in this life (not meaning you ofc, unless you also happen to be the OP of this thread...).
eh if we're all just gonna go around and say "well im sure they know better than me" then theres really no point in being on a forum. we can all read news about transactions, can all read box scores, etc. we're here to give takes. none of us here claim to be prosGood point, to which I counter-argue, there's only a trade if two parts want one. We don't know if, and how hard, they tried trading the pick at the time. But I hardly care about that, it was just an example to prove my point - a pick that has a thinking behind it, is only a bad pick insofar as the thinking behind it is bad or flawed. Seeing as the Spurs really were cash-strapped at the time, you can at least understand it. It's not a "let's take Ayton over Luka because he's Phoenix-born and raised" type of flawed thinking scenario.
Re. Sammich, well, again, what may be "wild" or "dumb" to us fans, can be the exact opposite on the eyes of the FO - a professional, dedicated to basketball, front office. We know for a fact Luka was scouted heavily by RC, so why do you call it a "wild reach"? The Spurs were clearly planning on it (they even took him with their first pick, having Keldon miraculously fall to their laps anyway - that was a lucky pick). I don't care how many people (you mean people on here? the lowest of the low in terms of actual analysis?
Of course he was a project pick. That was like, the whole plan, which is again my point. Having a plan and it not working out in the end =///= throwing at the wall and hoping it sticks. The Spurs, by all accounts, tend to operate on the former, and it's mostly dwellers on here, who cannot understand the workings of a FO, that insist and triple-down on everything being caused by stupidity or ineptness.
At the end of the day, 5 rings speak for themselves, and yet look at the le of the thread we're in. Some people just can't tell up from down in this life (not meaning you ofc, unless you also happen to be the OP of this thread...).
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