Any Popsuckers gonna do some damage control?

[MultiTroll]

eh if we're all just gonna go around and say "well im sure they know better than me" then theres really no point in being on a forum. we can all read news about transactions, can all read box scores, etc. we're here to give takes. none of us here claim to be pros

yep.
And the PoP hAz 5 rInGz noise.
Duncan.

Popped has 1 ring in the last 16 years.

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Let me get this straight.
You're proposing don't throw him wide open lobs / reward sprint aheads where he's beating everyone down the court so that he can get frustrated and thus be better evaluated?

It's funny that you start a post with "let me get this straight" and then completely miss what I said. Classic Fabbs.

They do miss him on lobs, but that likely isn't deliberate. Victor sucks at establishing position and drawing or avoiding contact in the low block. In fact, he is far better as the high man than the low man so far. Once Vic knows what he us and is not good at, they can work to improve him. It's a whole new world under the basket for him.

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The ones expecting Wright to hit on every single pick still pop their heads up every now and then.

"but but but Lonnie and Samanic and Primo"

Though it's hard to disentangle the drafting process from player development. Personally I think the Spurs are okay to good at drafting and great at player development.

As SR21 said, I like the Lonnie pick. He had value and is clearly an NBA player. Just didn't work out. Samanic was a home run swing like Wesley was. Again, I don't hate it. Primo was a reach but nobody knew he was a perv. The Spurs have a pretty impressive young lineup that came exclusively from the draft.

[exstatic]

if we are going to say "not spending money" as a legitimate purpose to drafting a certain player, then the solution is to trade the pick, not take a player who had a very slim chance of over making it over, and also having a very limited skill set in the modern nba

as for samanic, it was kind of just a wild reach on a guy who many saw as a 2nd round prospect. his skill set was intriguing but was very much a project pick

A wild reach at #19 isn’t a fail if it doesn’t pan out, especially if you hit at#29 Later in the same draft. You cannot always play it safe in the draft,or your team will get stuck on the 30-35 win treadmill. You’ve got to take a big swing once in awhile,even if you miss.

[MultiTroll]

It's funny that you start a post with "let me get this straight" and then completely miss what I said. Classic Fabbs.

They do miss him on lobs, but that likely isn't deliberate.

Not sure where you're attempting to Strawman this, but to the point what is it then iyo?

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Luka is projected, based on his numbers, to play far better then he actually does. That fits with the beliefs about him before the draft as well as how he panned out: super talented lazy bonehead. If he suddenly figures it out tomorrow he will have a great year with the Jazz.

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Not sure where you're attempting to Strawman this, but to the point what is it then iyo?

Um what? You're such a re it's difficult to understand your point. You talk in circles and declare victory. Again, classic Fabbs. You brought up lobs. I tried to respond to what was kind of a strawman from you in order to try to address what you brought up, even though it wasn't relevant. Then you project and act like an ass.

The point is, you're just too difficult to have a conversation with and I made an effort anyway and you were a , yet again. You're apparently too ing dumb to even realize why nobody likes you and you only post to pontificate about opinions you won't ever move from. It's easier to go back to ignoring you.

[spurraider21]

A wild reach at #19 isn’t a fail if it doesn’t pan out

disagree, and i dont think qualifiers really change the analysis

[SpurSpike]

Lonnie seems to be doing well these days, we gave up on him too early imo.

GP	MIN	FG%	3P%	FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
9	21.3	51.5	45.5	77.3	3.0	2.2	0.6	0.6	1.0	1.1	15.4

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Lonnie seems to be doing well these days, we gave up on him too early imo.

GP	MIN	FG%	3P%	FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
9	21.3	51.5	45.5	77.3	3.0	2.2	0.6	0.6	1.0	1.1	15.4

Um, no. His defense is abysmal. The Spurs defense is struggling historically and Lonnie would be the worst defender on the squad.

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disagree, and i dont think qualifiers really change the analysis

The Spurs either needed a stud or they needed the roster spot. That's why it wasn't a fail. The guy they wanted fell to their second pick. The bad part was that Luka turned into a lunkhead before he could be offloaded for some value. You still have to swing for talent once in a while.

[MultiTroll]

Um what? You're such a re it's difficult to understand your point. You talk in circles and declare victory. Again, classic Fabbs. You brought up lobs. I tried to respond to what was kind of a strawman from you in order to try to address what you brought up, even though it wasn't relevant. Then you project and act like an ass.

The point is, you're just too difficult to have a conversation with and I made an effort anyway and you were a , yet again. You're apparently too ing dumb to even realize why nobody likes you and you only post to pontificate about opinions you won't ever move from. It's easier to go back to ignoring you.

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Whal a projection cop out.
You're busted on the Lobs point and so bail.

Try sticking to the basketball point(s) and save the schoolgirl pms Strawman dances for like minded.

[RC_Drunkford]

Lonnie seems to be doing well these days, we gave up on him too early imo.

GP	MIN	FG%	3P%	FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
9	21.3	51.5	45.5	77.3	3.0	2.2	0.6	0.6	1.0	1.1	15.4

not really, a lot of us said he might succeed under another coach. Pop broke his confidence.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

eh if we're all just gonna go around and say "well im sure they know better than me" then theres really no point in being on a forum. we can all read news about transactions, can all read box scores, etc. we're here to give takes. none of us here claim to be pros

Sure but at the same time you see a whole bunch of people talking about how they have watched for x amount of time or the like establishing their own authority. If all you have is your opinion without grounds, whose authority is above the mouthbreathers ehre no matter how much they watch?

It would be great if they were talking about basketball on the court because to me it is obvious that the defensive rotations are a heck of a lot better as are the pickups and technique in transition. Individual players and lineups are playing better. That stats are clear on that.

Instead we get whining about cherry picked events and bias to anything else. It reads just like trolling to me tbh. At the same time, if you are going to take it straight at least do not ignore the 400 lbs gorilla in the room.

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[spurraider21]

a lot of this looks like the clips from the pacers/knicks game from the other thread as well, particularly with the overhelping, unnecessary crowding of the paint, and the lack of rotations BEFORE the pass is made. if players are only going to start rotating/reacting after a pass is made, they're screwed. ball is faster than the player.

this guy also pointed out schematic issues as far as switches. im skeptical that they'd actually want collins to be switching onto guards, and having somebody like vassell switch onto bam... but he's right that wemby/keldon/vassell/sochan, etc should be switching everything unless its just a piss poor screen that the primary defender can beat

to be fair, collins was basically a PF who played alongside poeltl. his mobility as a big is supposed to be one of his positive attributes, so push comes to shove, he should switch if its not too early in the shot clock

[scott]

^^^ Great video, thanks for sharing.

Man, our PnR defense is so bad. Feels like we're getting Stockton-to-Malone'd every game, but it's actually just our inability to deal with screens and switch correctly.

[JeffDuncan]

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When Pop said he wasn’t coaching Victor he neglected to add that he wasn’t coaching anybody.

[spurraider21]

^^^ Great video, thanks for sharing.

Man, our PnR defense is so bad. Feels like we're getting Stockton-to-Malone'd every game, but it's actually just our inability to deal with screens and switch correctly.

reminds me of the genius to let nash/amare destroy us on the pick and roll due to the fear of raja bell or leo barbosa beating us

[RC_Drunkford]

I really wonder what Pop is teaching these guys in practice

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a lot of this looks like the clips from the pacers/knicks game from the other thread as well, particularly with the overhelping, unnecessary crowding of the paint, and the lack of rotations BEFORE the pass is made. if players are only going to start rotating/reacting after a pass is made, they're screwed. ball is faster than the player.

this guy also pointed out schematic issues as far as switches. im skeptical that they'd actually want collins to be switching onto guards, and having somebody like vassell switch onto bam... but he's right that wemby/keldon/vassell/sochan, etc should be switching everything unless its just a piss poor screen that the primary defender can beat

to be fair, collins was basically a PF who played alongside poeltl. his mobility as a big is supposed to be one of his positive attributes, so push comes to shove, he should switch if its not too early in the shot clock

But they back off into no-man's land, so they can't defend the midrange, can't defend the drive, and can't recover to defend the three. And they do it 100 times a game. It's why I keep turning off games.

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reminds me of the genius to let nash/amare destroy us on the pick and roll due to the fear of raja bell or leo barbosa beating us

That strategy worked. Better off giving up twos than threes.

[RC_Drunkford]

exstatic curious to hear your sniffer excuse for that kind of "defense"

[spurraider21]

That strategy worked. Better off giving up twos than threes.

eh, it worked because the spurs were able to slow the games down against them and prevent too many transition 3's, and we murdered them on the glass. but in the half court those guys were scorching us, especially in 2005. in the playoffs amare averaged 37 on 55% shooting which is functionally the same as giving up 36-37% from 3.

in 07 suns were dumb enough to try to play kurt thomas big minutes to slow duncan, which rarely worked, and came at the expense of their offense, and slowed the game down further. plus the whole hipcheck thing

i always thought the spurs made it harder on themselves than they needed to against them

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eh, it worked because the spurs were able to slow the games down against them and prevent too many transition 3's, and we murdered them on the glass. but in the half court those guys were scorching us, especially in 2005. in the playoffs amare averaged 37 on 55% shooting which is functionally the same as giving up 36-37% from 3.

in 07 suns were dumb enough to try to play kurt thomas big minutes to slow duncan, which rarely worked, and came at the expense of their offense, and slowed the game down further. plus the whole hipcheck thing

i always thought the spurs made it harder on themselves than they needed to against them

Given the pace, Amare couldn't score enough points to make up for the lack of threes and nobody had to double. Duncan was never in foul trouble and his plus minus was the difference. Always felt easy to me. KT played excellent post defense on Timmy but like you said, he was too big of a liability on the other end.