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    Was only able to catch the first half man how the tides shifted.

    Spurs draw an L spurstalks melts down. Another day per usual.

    This was always going to be a experiment with the current roster this season.

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    Was only able to catch the first half man how the tides shifted.

    Spurs draw an L spurstalks melts down. Another day per usual.

    This was always going to be a experiment with the current roster this season.
    This one was worse. Because we clearly had no hope against a pretty average team at the end of the day. We played bad turnover basketball and our franchise player doesn't get the touches he needs.

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    This is such a disingenuous take. He’s not blatantly sabotaging his team. With that said I don’t like the experiment either but it’s not like we’re 30 games in. One thing that I wouldn’t want to see is us tossing assets around aimlessly trying to fill the pg void with questionable trades.

    If I had to take a pragmatic guess I’d say they’ll look hard at the trade landscape closer to the deadline as things become more workable the closer you get to the deadline.

    Even adding an all star probably wouldn’t propel us deep into the playoffs so it makes little sense to plug holes with secondary players simply to make things more aesthetically pleasing to people like you.

    We’re not ringing this year. So let’s not leverage the house out of the gate by making desperation trades.
    so the Spurs should make a trade when they are 3-47?

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    Time to tank!

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    This is a lot more level headed and rational than the dumb s calling Pop the worst coach in the league.
    Let's be honest... If we saw this from ANY other coach in the league, we would call them the worst

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    so the Spurs should make a trade when they are 3-47?
    They should make a trade when it makes sense. We're not going to go deep in the playoffs this season even if we traded for a borderline all star pg. So there's no reason to dump valuable assets unless it makes sense. Look at all these teams that have gutted their draft stock. Patience is important.

    With that said I'm more than open to seeing a trade. It just needs to make sense.

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    This is such a disingenuous take. He’s not blatantly sabotaging his team. With that said I don’t like the experiment either but it’s not like we’re 30 games in. One thing that I wouldn’t want to see is us tossing assets around aimlessly trying to fill the pg void with questionable trades.

    If I had to take a pragmatic guess I’d say they’ll look hard at the trade landscape closer to the deadline as things become more workable the closer you get to the deadline.

    Even adding an all star probably wouldn’t propel us deep into the playoffs so it makes little sense to plug holes with secondary players simply to make things more aesthetically pleasing to people like you.

    We’re not ringing this year. So let’s not leverage the house out of the gate by making desperation trades.
    Mark my words... Sohan will be PG the entire season... One thing Pop will NOT do is admit he was wrong

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    Let's be honest... If we saw this from ANY other coach in the league, we would call them the worst
    We see it all the time. I'd rather see this experiment and maintain our draft stock than do what the Clips are doing. OKC sat on their team for nearly 3 years while they built it up.
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    First Wemby has a bullseye on his back being a generational prospect, an alien and teams are targeting him. On top of a 22 win team from last year who was designed to tank to get a high pick. And Pop experimenting on a PG, the most crucial position in setting plays and pace, plus the youngest thus inexperienced team. Everything is going against the Spurs
    OKC is just as young and they have been looking competent for years now... They actually have an offensive structure and they actually play their players in the positions they belong

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    You have to get tired of getting your ass kicked


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    haha great response to an honest question sir! I’m all for getting another lottery pick tbh but if this isn’t voluntary I’m a tad concerned.

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    We see it all the time. I'd rather see this experiment and maintain our draft stock than do what the Clips are doing. OKC sat on their team for nearly 3 years while they built it up.
    Have you watched OKC? they've always played with structure and had their players in the correct position... They NEVER looked as bad as the Spurs look right now... They actually ran an offense that benefited their guys

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    You have to get tired of getting your ass kicked

    Honestly im surprised by his response.

    i figured it would have been one of those sarcastic pressers or where he just goes into politics.

    now saying what he said, what can be done to fix this??

    and whos to say that they arent getting tired of getting whooped. Perhaps they just are unable to stop the bleeding from a lack of talent. they simply aren't good enough. and part of it is playing payers out of position. and another is that there is ZERO floor leader. How badly one is needed. It is so apparent. On offense and on defense.

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    Wemby has been stronger on the boards the past few games. Now if he can just cut down on the terrible shots and turnovers. Devin looks OK, but the rest of these idiots don't know how to hoop at the NBA level.

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    Yep, I was really surprised that Pop didn't attack the PG position in the draft or free agency. Obviously they were going to pick Wemby at 1, but I really wanted them to be aggressive with their assets to snag another PG in the first. I wanted them to play the PG market, though I wasn't big on trading for an old guard like Paul or Lillard or even Lowry. Someone like Payne made a fair bit of sense in my mind, and I was interested when they got him. That Pop didn't seem to give him or most of the traded-for vets a chance during camp feels irresponsible to me. The Spurs didn't need those seconds badly enough to settle for dead money over talent.

    I feel like given where the Spurs are that it would make more sense for them to be looking at PG prospects to cycle through rather than starting a bad fit there and locking the position. Have Jones start, don't have a 15th man and sign free agents or d-leaguers to see if any figure it out. Carlik Jones is an interesting guy who washed out in Chicago but has some skills the Spurs might need. I really liked Alondes Williams during his draft. , SJR is on the team but is playing with the Toros for some reason. Why PATFO seems to have approached the PG position like it was settled is definitely the biggest mystery of the roster right now.
    Howdy! I’ve missed you guys and the Spurs being on TV :-)

    Yup you nailed it.

    To your point. I can’t imagine they don’t see the deficiencies which maybe means that what they are doing is deliberate but I don’t know, I am speculating.

    Hear me out, in the past Pop liked to have so many guard prospects on the pipeline that he seemingly ac ulated them on the bench and would try them out for minutes here and there. He helped develop quite a few guards through the years this way. However after dealing out Derozan, Murray and White he didn’t seek a stand in replacing the ball handling which is unusual. I wouldn’t think having no PG or at least legit guards/ballhandlers would suit his style. It seems to me to be a Wright preference. The only guard “high prospect” they he’s drafted is Primo, who was a weird choice to begin with, because he played more like a wing. Anyways, Wright seems to want to build a particular type of team that’s bigger, but he’s sacrificed ballhandling and playmaking to an extreme degree.

    Going into the season without addressing that problem seems kind of intentional in context, because even if you aren’t anywhere near ready to compete in the playoffs, you at least need to start thinking of a system around your franchise player. I don’t think their guard prospects are anything to write about with the exception of Jones, who is simply a solid backup or low level starter but he should be starting considering… But they need to be fishing in for prospects as you say.

    The other aspect is something that no one mentions but it’s the fact you also can’t develop a ton of lottery picks at a time and place them all in a position to succeed… like Sochan needs minutes. He’s a recent lotto pick, who’s young and has some potential, but in the need to find him minutes are they perhaps just slotting him wherever they can to plug a hole? Just trying to figure it out.

    Also the Spurs are probably playing guys who aren’t NBA caliber… I am not familiar enough with the deeper bench guys but no one stood out.

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    Wemby has been stronger on the boards the past few games. Now if he can just cut down on the terrible shots and turnovers. Devin looks OK, but the rest of these idiots don't know how to hoop at the NBA level.
    I said it b4 but it does look like the Spurs have several not NBA caliber players getting heavy minutes. They have injuries but it’s too painful to watch. They looked like a G league team last night.

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    They should make a trade when it makes sense. We're not going to go deep in the playoffs this season even if we traded for a borderline all star pg. So there's no reason to dump valuable assets unless it makes sense. Look at all these teams that have gutted their draft stock. Patience is important.

    With that said I'm more than open to seeing a trade. It just needs to make sense.
    It already makes sense. We are hindering the development of our number 9 pick last year by playing him at point guard and the development of our number 1 pick this year by not making sure he has a competent point guard with him on the floor.

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    It already makes sense. We are hindering the development of our number 9 pick last year by playing him at point guard and the development of our number 1 pick this year by not making sure he has a competent point guard with him on the floor.
    Right or wrong that’s simply the opinion of an asshole online who calls himself poop. Clearly the FO and coaches see differently until they don’t.

    For the record I don’t think any of this experiment hurts Sochan. Now if they carry this experiment into next year with no change in results you’d have a lot more valid argument.

    I do see some things that Jeremy is doing differently and arguably better in the last couple of games that he wasn’t doing in the few games previously sans the season opener.

    He has regained a bit of his offense and is picking up the dribble later than he was previously.

    But I’d like to see this experiment wind down by the trade deadline whether we get another pg or not.

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    I happen to agree that the Sochan experiment should end asap/ However, whatever happened to the posters who thought we knocked it out of the park by picking up Wesley and Malaki? Do you still feel those guys are gonna be good to great players for us.???

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    Right or wrong that’s simply the opinion of an asshole online who calls himself poop. Clearly the FO and coaches see differently until they don’t.

    For the record I don’t think any of this experiment hurts Sochan. Now if they carry this experiment into next year with no change in results you’d have a lot more valid argument.

    I do see some things that Jeremy is doing differently and arguably better in the last couple of games that he wasn’t doing in the few games previously sans the season opener.

    He has regained a bit of his offense and is picking up the dribble later than he was previously.

    But I’d like to see this experiment wind down by the trade deadline whether we get another pg or not.
    It shouldn't be an experiment at all. No other coach / front office / team is even stupid enough to try it in the first place.

    Let's spend half a season trying to make something work that everyone already knows isn't going to work.

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    My biggest issue with them trying to make sochan a PG is that they are forcing him to be a starting PG.
    Thats ridiculous.

    Even if Tre is not your longterm answer at PG, you don't force Sochan to play against the other teams best players right away in a position he has not played.

    For Sochan, get his feet wet by playing him against the 2nd string first.

    Even G-league wouldn't be a terrible option. Just so that he can practice without worrying about the consequences of his mistakes.

    I'm just saying, if they truly are dedicated to trying to make Sochan a starting PG, then they should take all the proper measures to make sure he succeeds. Making him starting PG is not the answer.

    For those who have said that it might be a Bright Wright decision, you might be on to something.

    Pop has ALWAYS loved midget ball. He usually trots out 2 to 3 PG's on the court lol. So this is very un Pop like. Very unusual tbh

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    Malaki was a good pick at 20 in that he could have an NBA career. Good skills. He is just too passive right now still in my opinion.

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    My biggest issue with them trying to make sochan a PG is that they are forcing him to be a starting PG.
    Thats ridiculous.

    Even if Tre is not your longterm answer at PG, you don't force Sochan to play against the other teams best players right away in a position he has not played.

    For Sochan, get his feet wet by playing him against the 2nd string first.

    Even G-league wouldn't be a terrible option. Just so that he can practice without worrying about the consequences of his mistakes.

    I'm just saying, if they truly are dedicated to trying to make Sochan a starting PG, then they should take all the proper measures to make sure he succeeds. Making him starting PG is not the answer.

    For those who have said that it might be a Bright Wright decision, you might be on to something.

    Pop has ALWAYS loved midget ball. He usually trots out 2 to 3 PG's on the court lol. So this is very un Pop like. Very unusual tbh
    "bucks" forced Giannis "in a position he didn't play" in the 15/16 season
    and he was the starting point guard in 23 games
    no one died or retired

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    Ok so we're tanking, but who for? What top 5 prospect is Pop/Wright interested in that were throwing away another season for? We'll probably reach for another project that won't pan out again.

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    Get rid of Wright! RC needs to be GM again! It's embarrassing to see this team with no PG or decent center! They have no defense other than Wemby and the rest don't know how to handle the ball! Bunch of ball hogs and no way should Collins get the ball that much, he's weak and defenders take the ball out of his hands and he's also plays no defense! How many times did he leave his man open for a 3 pointer! Most of those players on the floor are not NBA ready players! Disgraceful!

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