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    Buddy, that's a big end of statement. The West is at its best a healthy balance while still being the global train for Liberalism. As an European I grew up Liberal and still view myself as such. Immigration isn't the biggest problem today but it's fair long term argument. "You" are in power we can't control that. But we can debate how society will look in the near future.

    USA election/politics is not even worth debating right now.
    Every ultra conservative, ultra nationalist, far right government in Europe is borderline autocratic, if not full blown. See: Hungary, Turkey, Russia... the pretense of democracy in those places is just that, a pretense. Why would the US want to import that?

    I'm not talking about pendulum swings, like Italy, which voted right wing but aligned pretty quickly with the west, because they know where their bread is buttered.

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    Buddy, that's a big end of statement. The West is at its best a healthy balance while still being the global train for Liberalism. As an European I grew up Liberal and still view myself as such. Immigration isn't the biggest problem today but it's fair long term argument. "You" are in power we can't control that. But we can debate how society will look in the near future.

    USA election/politics is not even worth debating right now.


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    Buddy, that's a big end of statement. The West is at its best a healthy balance while still being the global train for Liberalism. As an European I grew up Liberal and still view myself as such. Immigration isn't the biggest problem today but it's fair long term argument. "You" are in power we can't control that. But we can debate how society will look in the near future.

    USA election/politics is not even worth debating right now.
    Trump made President. That's why.

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    Years ago, I interviewed Ehud Barak and asked him, "What would happen if you were born Palestinian?" I asked. He gave me the only honest answer he could give: "I would join a terrorist organization."
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    Yesterday with daybreak, Roi was murdered. The quiet of a spring morning blinded him, and he did not see the stalkers of his soul on the furrow. Let us not hurl blame at the murderers. Why should we complain of their hatred for us? Eight years have they sat in the refugee camps of Gaza, and seen, with their own eyes, how we have made a homeland of the soil and the villages where they and their forebears once dwelt.

    Not from the Arabs of Gaza must we demand the blood of Roi, but from ourselves. How our eyes are closed to the reality of our fate, unwilling to see the destiny of our generation in its full cruelty. Have we forgotten that this small band of youths, settled in Nahal Oz, carries on its shoulders the heavy gates of Gaza, beyond which hundreds of thousands of eyes and arms huddle together and pray for the onset of our weakness so that they may tear us to pieces — has this been forgotten? For we know that if the hope of our destruction is to perish, we must be, morning and evening, armed and ready.

    A generation of settlement are we, and without the steel helmet and the maw of the cannon we shall not plant a tree, nor build a house. Our children shall not have lives to live if we do not dig shelters; and without the barbed wire fence and the machine gun, we shall not pave a path nor drill for water. The millions of Jews, annihilated without a land, peer out at us from the ashes of Israeli history and command us to settle and rebuild a land for our people. But beyond the furrow that marks the border, lies a surging sea of hatred and vengeance, yearning for the day that the tranquility blunts our alertness, for the day that we heed the ambassadors of conspiring hypocrisy, who call for us to lay down our arms.

    It is to us that the blood of Roi calls from his shredded body. Although we have vowed a thousand vows that our blood will never again be shed in vain — yesterday we were once again seduced, brought to listen, to believe. Our reckoning with ourselves, we shall make today. We mustn’t flinch from the hatred that accompanies and fills the lives of hundreds of thousands of Arabs, who live around us and are waiting for the moment when their hands may claim our blood. We mustn’t avert our eyes, lest our hands be weakened. That is the decree of our generation. That is the choice of our lives — to be willing and armed, strong and unyielding, lest the sword be knocked from our fists, and our lives severed.

    Roi Rotberg, the thin blond lad who left Tel Aviv in order to build his home alongside the gates of Gaza, to serve as our wall. Roi — the light in his heart blinded his eyes and he saw not the flash of the blade. The longing for peace deafened his ears and he heard not the sound of the coiled murderers. The gates of Gaza were too heavy for his shoulders, and they crushed him.
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    I prefer no Trump in 2024 election
    But you will vote for Trump

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    But you will vote for Trump
    You couldn't stop me with silver bullets & a wooden stake.

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    You couldn't stop me with silver bullets & a wooden stake.
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    Cept Hussein..."Wait till after the election then I'll give ya good deal."
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    Another salvadorian obliterated
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    Every ultra conservative, ultra nationalist, far right government in Europe is borderline autocratic, if not full blown. See: Hungary, Turkey, Russia... the pretense of democracy in those places is just that, a pretense. Why would the US want to import that?

    I'm not talking about pendulum swings, like Italy, which voted right wing but aligned pretty quickly with the west, because they know where their bread is buttered.
    I agree with what you're saying. Ideally USA deserves a hard resett back to the basics of who we are and what we need. Americans as society but especially people lack the foundations & basics.

    Migrants from other parts of the World struggle to connect because we fail to focus on the basics

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    America is great but lacking the foundation. Society & household. Alot of our fellow Americans get lost in the flashing lights & glory.

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    I see WC is trying to pretend he is not from the US. I really like his Darrin style "I am a real liberal" attempt for levity when all it does is make him appear even creepier than normal. National socialist maybe and not from EU.

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    America is great but lacking the foundation. Society & household. Alot of our fellow Americans get lost in the flashing lights & glory.
    Bingo. Symbolism over substance.

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    I agree with what you're saying. Ideally USA deserves a hard resett back to the basics of who we are and what we need. Americans as society but especially people lack the foundations & basics.

    Migrants from other parts of the World struggle to connect because we fail to focus on the basics
    America is great but lacking the foundation. Society & household. Alot of our fellow Americans get lost in the flashing lights & glory.
    What it needs is education. If there's one thing the populist demagogue right wing latched on is the poorly educated. They already had the rural, poor, white trash market cornered, and now double down with book banning and anti-science.

    It's a losing battle long term though...

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    Seems odd that there are no pictures or tallies of dead combatants on both sides.

    How many Hamas and IDF fighters have died so far?

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    What it needs is education. If there's one thing the populist demagogue right wing latched on is the poorly educated. They already had the rural, poor, white trash market cornered, and now double down with book banning and anti-science.

    It's a losing battle long term though...
    ...all because Trump made President.

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    Seems odd that there are no pictures or tallies of dead combatants on both sides.

    How many Hamas and IDF fighters have died so far?

    Same with Russia & Nazi occupied Ukraine. Death tallies is like (cause of death) in the "newspapers" now...about half the time there is nary attribution. Another few years and the only causation will be when foul play is involved.

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    Seems odd that there are no pictures or tallies of dead combatants on both sides.

    How many Hamas and IDF fighters have died so far?
    Heard about 1000 hamas and 150 isras

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    in all likelihood, the massacre will resume next week




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    in all likelihood, the massacre will resume next week



    "But, the Holocaust."

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    Ole Joe spoke with Qatari leaders to resolve previous delay in hostage exchange. How did it go? Hostage release is back on.

    A group of hostages was seen leaving Gaza in a Red Cross convoy late Saturday night local time.

    The Red Cross had earlier confirmed that it was headed to the Rafah crossing between Gaza and Egypt with the hostages, according to the Israel Defense Forces.

    Hamas said it had handed over 13 Israelis and seven foreign nationals to the organization, though Qatar and the IDF each said the number of released foreign nationals was only four.

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