You mentioned a second tank. I just feel it’s a dangerous game to play trying to tank with a top player. Thankfully he’s 19 but I look at the sizers back in 2013 and how many years it took them doing that tank job and it only yielded a second round playoff appearance and that was year 5 of tanking I believe (2018). Could be wrong though
Concur.
Since he is not going to be on a Wemby Championship team, when is the max value time to unload him?
Not sure if currently some other teams are saying "Hey that guy can score" or saying "Sheesh what a ballhog." If not scoring can't do anything else well.
I hope he's not one of Pops Pets, altho that is a possibility.
Tehnically, the trade should have been made right after we found out we had the No. 1 pick. That would have been the highest value. Now he’s a third fiddle on a bad team as opposed to THE GUY putting numbers on an equally bad team. The longer the Spurs wait to move him the more his value will Drop as Wemby and even Vassell to a degree ascend
Yeah I was pretty psyched about having TC on the roster. He was a perfect fit next to David. I think he averaged something like 22 and 8 David's rookie season and they were just a good tandem. He was great teammate and character guy. His knee issues certainly hurt the team, and really left the Admiral without a solid first mate. David deserved a little more help than he had with McCombs cheap-assedness. Robinson could probably be in the top ten argument if he'd of had any sort of reasonable playoff worthy supporting cast around him during his prime.
Even just keeping Strickland would have probably been enough to ring in 1995. Especially since they would have never brought scrub ass Del Negro in then.
Rocket Rod was great, but not a guy you’d want in your locker. His history is pretty bad actually and not just with the Spurs. During his tenure with the Spurs, late for practices (during playoffs mind you), late for flights and then add to that his off court stuff that happened here. Then to top it off, after the bitter contract dispute they signed him to a one year deal during the 91-92 season had enough and even tried desperately to trade him by the deadline and there were no takers, so they played out the season with him and then he went to Portland after that. Also he (along with Willie Anderson) had no jumpshot, allowing guys to double off David And TC. Rocket had skills but he was an issue in the locker room and off the court. Even today, he described his conduct in the league as unprofessional. Those are his words��
He definitely was immature. But I'm with BB on Vinny...that's not a point guard you have if you have any designs on trying to win a championship.
Vinny D was
definitely not the answer. That’s why they settled on Avery and he was the solid floor general from there. The issue wasn’t just Vinny. The spurs during the David/TC/Sean lineup were notorious for not being able to shoot from the outside. Bob Bass even said how tired he was of that sinking sagging defense teams would play. That’s why you seen Lloyd Daniel’s and Vinny Del Negro come into the run the point initially. Add in Dale Ellis who they had been trying to get during the previous season. It was about shooting and the spurs figured if they got a guy who could simply bring the ball up and hit shots (think John Paxton) they would be fine.
ofcourse they were wrong though lol.
That’s the other thing I wonder about. If Spurs got Dale Ellis the previous season I wonder how they would have done in the playoffs. You have TC balling out with David and Sean and then Ellis would just be there bombing away when they say off. There was a deal in place that year. Dale Ellis and Jeff Grayer for Willie Anderson and Paul Pressey. Spurs didn’t pull the trigger though. Spurs got Ellis next year but TC had blown out his knee by then.
Yeah, the sagging defenses killed David in that infamous series against Houston, plus our single covering of Hakeem. If the Spurs could have kept opposing defenses honest it's scary to think about what Robinson's stats would have looked like. He'd of made Giannis look like a high schooler.
Don Nelson taught the world how to beat the Spurs, which is why they were upset nearly every year in the playoffs. Robinson carried terrible teammates for a decade.
"who's to blame?"
PG
Vassel
Sochan
Wemby
C
Collins and Keldon come off the bench snd we either draft or trade for a Center and PG. lets start here
Clearly, all the Spurs' problems are Jeremy Sochan's fault.
Don't like Sochan at the 3. Spurs need a better player who can shoot at the 3 and create his own offense, a borderline all star go to scorer.
Lots of good info shared on this thread by folks who were there following it. In these days it was not possible to follow a team out of town as you had no access to newspaper or radio coverage. It wasn’t until late 1994 when you could access uploaded newspaper article via Compuserve or AOL, but had to be sought. By early 1996, WWW was brawny enough to both gain day-old real time reporting, and interact with regular folk to bandy.
So all Spurs info before 1995’s WCF run I’m learning it here from y’all. Big ups to everyone for painting the stories by memory
Ive been sayin' we're gonna lose Wemby with this tanking bull and glad to see others coming around to the notion,,,,the kid said he wanted to win now and he wasnt blowin' smoke,,,,Spurs have now wasted 25% of his 4 year contract on this train wreck and better start swingin' for the fences in trades. I still stand by the idea that we should have went for Lilliard. And with the old school talk, the worst waste of talent because he had nothing around him while in a Spurs uniform was Alvin Robertson,,,his life went to off the court after that,,,,Spurs where floundering around after that bringing in Microwave Vinny Johnson, Terry mings, Moses Malone,,,,ect
I had hopes of a 35 win team. Clearly that's pie in the sky stuff. but I certainly didn't predict a likely worse season with the best overall player.
Were you expecting the Spurs to be contender this year ?
Spurs made moves the last couple of years to tank and pick the most hyped prospect since Lebron... they achieved just that plus still tons of draft picks, tons of cap, got Vassel who looks a potential solid starter, have some other prospects to work with... and cherry on the cake are in position to get another high pick next year.
To top it Victor has been healthy, he is putting historical numbers as a rookie and is showing he has the clutch gene... yeah we are doomed smh
This losing streak sucks for the fans but, in the great scheme of things, is not that big of a deal.
What it says, plainly, Is that this roster has GAPING holes and needs a redo from bottom to top.
In my eyes through the first 20 games, the only players you bring back next year are Wemby, Bassey, Osman, Barlow, Cissoko, Sandro. I'd bring back Sochan and Vassell only if they learn to play with a little fire under their ass by year's end. Those two to me are where this team falters the most. They should both be better and more consistent defensively. But Vassell seems to just get beat too often and Sochan seems to drift in and out of trying from possession to possession. Vassell also is injury prone and really bad at finding Wemby.
KJ, Collins (not for lack of effort or BB IQ in his case), Jones (just too small), Branham, Champ, McDermott, and any others simply haven't shown what they need to, to grow with this team long term.
So while you're clearly right this team was not playoff bound coming into the year, we absolutely should have been on the fringes, not tied for the worst mark in the league. With the worst NBA defensive rating in the NBA when Victor is off the court. Worse than last years historically awful squad. Unacceptable . Changes have to be made.
Sportscenter was on all throughout the 80s, and most everyone had access to it by 1990 or so, IIRC. Pretty sure that helped fuel my Fandom during those years with Strick, TC, etc.
Well better start praying that we tank again next year because no player in this years draft can do that at the 3. Lol
For the most times if you get the number 1 pick your team is pretty ty and your definitely not going to turn it around their first year. Oh and what rookie is Not going to say “They want to win now” and Wemby will get over it as he has work to do to make himself a better player. So understand we going to get a top 5 draft pick this year and maybe again the following year. This is at a minimum a 3 year build at best and it depends on us hitting on our draft picks and what we do with trades
Just to add, Durant won 20 games in his rookie year.
It really isn’t 20 games for some of these guys though - it’s a 100+ in some cases. It just is what it is with some of these guys. I thought they would win 25 games by virtue of doing nothing and bring back the same roster. Which is fine but the lack of improvement should be alarming.
I think they over estimate the ability of some of these guys. Which raises the question of their ability to evaluate talent. That’s a prideful organization, they do not want to be historically bad - which is where they are headed again.
Thankfully the Pistons futility has everyone distracted from what’s going on with the Spurs.
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