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Has anyone ever been paid so much money to be distracted from thinking about his dead wife?
BBIQ test? How about a vision test? They are literally looking at him when they pass to someone else.
Has anyone ever been paid so much money to be distracted from thinking about his dead wife?
But if the play is, Victor screen for Vassell to get him an open three, Victor slips the screen and starts calling for the ball, it's not good for the offense. I'm not saying that about this play. I'm saying all the guys on the court need to do their jobs. This seems to boggle the minds of a lot of posters but the point of the Spurs offense isn't to get Wemby a bunch of shots. That should be a major element, if not the foundation. But Wemby scoring is a means to an end. The Spurs offense is dysfunctional when Wemby is on the floor, and that's not just because they don't pass him the ball as much as he would like.
People see the Spurs do with other bigs what they struggle to do with Wemby, and they assume that there has to be a conspiracy against him and can't fathom that Wemby might not be doing what he needs to do in some of those situations. Like the Spurs throw an entry pass into Collins, and fans are more willing to believe that's because they don't hate Collins and not that Collins might've navigated the defense better and coordinated with his teammates to seal his man and present a good target for a pass. They also ignore that defenses may not care too much about Collins getting that pass (despite him being more likely to do something with it right now) and thus don't scramble to stop him like they do with Wemby. They want to believe the passes to either player have about the same chance of success but that the players just put on dunce caps or want to sabotage their long-term spots trying to play power games with the franchise player. Again, it's irrational.
No. Full stop. Wemby calls for the ball too often with no regard for his position to do that. It's really clear that he does not know how to read an NBA defense right now. That's what development is supposed to mean. He doesn't know what a good spot for him is -- he's shooting like 30 percent away from the charge circle.Where he stands and calls for a pass, that's where you give him the ball.
And this just feeds into the bias. It seems like you and others would be happy with Victor shooting 30 percent on 50 shots a game. That would be excruciating to watch -- much worse that the slog we're seeing now. Wemby, with all of the bull with the offense, is still using the ball more than guys like James, Durant and Morant did in their first years. He's close to Doncic, with the difference being that Luka's a perimeter player who handles the ball and who has had the ability to consistently score against NBA defenses since he was a rookie. Wemby leads the team in turnovers (despite both never getting the ball and despite him being this great passer when he has the ball), has an AST : TO of less than 1 and who has had very little success shooting away from the rim. In any other cir stance, folks who be calling for such a player to use less possessions and focus on getting good looks rather than assuming he needs more indiscriminate touches. If a player uses more possessions than the vast majority of players throughout NBA history but is not productive in those possessions despite having immense talent, the answer should be to get better touches, not more.No one gives 2 s what anyone else on the team can do. They are all expendable. This many games in I think we know what the team can do, and what they cannot do is get the ball to the franchise guy. Yes, your 1st overall pick is your franchise guy on a team of scrubs like that.
Or you could just treat him as a regular top prospect and build a system to support him rather than projecting GOAT status on him and expecting him to freestyle. It's an even more extreme version of the Spurs' habit of trying to chase potential instead of developing fundamentals. There's nothing about having Wemby play as a traditional big or a year or so that would stop him from becoming a three-level scorer. A more actualized version of him would benefit from that development, especially if/when the Spurs brought in a co-star guard to play with him. He'd be a 20-20 threat every game if the team focused on him as a rim-runner who could also pop and attack close-outs. Right now, he has very little he can fall back on offensively. Nothing's working consistently, and the Spurs don't seem to have a solution to change that. Fans don't seem to want a solution either. They just want Wemby to be that three-level guy and assume they can will it into existence by hating on his teammates hard enough.You'd have to see that he cannot do anything with them. You act like you've got the dream team around Christian Laettner.
I'd be perfectly happy to have the same success rate with Victor getting a lot more touches. This is what development of your 1st overall looks like. Victor isn't a role player as your response seems to indicate, and it's not like the rest of the team had a good thing going before he showed up, so I am not sure what scheme you think you're referring to that doesn't include taking advantage of Victor's strengths.
Yeah Chinook you are all about the place on this one. You go from not knowing “the angles” to making up excuse to making up plays and are now in the making up scenarios stage. It’s a weird progression. You keep saying it isn’t the job of the offense to get Wemby shots. You’re already wrong. That’s exactly the job of the offense. We are supposed to draw up plays for him to get the ball in spots he likes to get it. I don’t know why you don’t think that. It’s a little frightening hearing that from you.
Wemby is the number one option Chinook. Everything in your hypothetical doesn’t matter if you are starting off wrong. The offense goes through Wemby. Idgaf if they are playing lighter coverage against Collins in the post, you still give the rock to Wemby in the post. And really nobody is playing that hard coverage on Wemby in the post anyways. That’s a ridiculous excuse you are giving. I can make that entry pass and I can make it rather easily.
Wemby shot 7 times against the Bulls. That’s it. Your strawman argument that Wemby has to shoot 50 times at 30% is a bull one. First off, nobody said that, and secondly why don’t you believe in the franchise player to do better with more touches and more shots. It’s a weird mentality.
The reason why Wemby leads the Spurs in TOs in bc he gets the ball outta position so much and has to create his own shot. Dude fights in the paint, doesn’t get the ball bc supposedly nobody knows how to throw a pass I learned in 5th grade, and then traverses to the 3 point line to get the ball from a dead on chest pass bc apparently our team is only good enough to do 1st grade level passes. Then he is outta position, not in a comfortable spot, not in rhythm, and the shot clock is winding down. It’s stupid offense to do that to him.
Also the next reason nobody cares about his turnovers , and I need you to understand this, he is the FRANCHISE PLAYER. Damn dude. You play through your franchise player. It’s literally what you do. Idgaf if he is inefficient, there’s zero proof of that btw, but he still gets the ing ball and shots man. It isn’t that hard. He gets 20 shots a game. That’s the expectation going forward. We get him the ball where he likes to get the ball. That’s the expectation. We find him downlow when he has position. That’s the expectation. Your Idea of offense is one that literally nobody in the entire NBA follows. No good team anyways. I can’t think of a good team that plays the style you want or are defending.
Luka gets the ball and shoots the most
Giannis gets the ball and shoots the most
Joker gets the ball ans shoots the most
Steph gets the ball and shoots the most
Lebron gets the ball and shoots the most
ing Halliburton gets the ball and shoots the most
on the Spurs VW shoots once more a game than Vassell and only 2 more than KJ and somehow only 5 more than Collins AND Sochan. That’s criminal man and THAT is not winning basketball or good offense
There's a difference between a polished rookie "not knowing what they're doing" and a raw rookie. Wemby doesn't even know what position he's playing at this point, let alone expressing his game to fit there. There's a lot from watching David that Victor can learn, because a lot of the things people assume Wemby would be able to do at an elite level right away are things Robinson was already good at. But David did some things very differently to create his looks. For example, his normal position the court was in the short corner/dunker spot. That's an excellent place for a big to hang out because he's open for dump-off passes, is in good position for an offensive rebound, and he can post up really quickly. Along those lines, Young Robinson didn't constantly try to get open. Because he was comfortable being an off-ball player, he would read the defense and flash to his scoring areas when the moment was right. A lot of his post-up plays involved him having the ball for like a second. He's basically read his guard, flash, seal, present a target, slide to the ball and finish. That's a far cry from how Wemby is posting up right now, which is usually done completely independent of what anyone else is doing and is being held for too long while Wemby gets rooted out of position.
I'm also becoming of the mind that Wemby would have more success in transition running the floor with the rest of the players rather than trying to cherry-picking. Basketball is a four-dimensional game, and where you are when the ball is 75 feet away from the basket is so much less important than where you are when the ball is 25 feet away. Most of the openings on fast breaks down come from break-aways. Most come from getting numbers on the defenders, creating conflict and exploiting the spacing. Looking at highlights of Robinson, he ran the break extremely well. Dude's speed and agility were superlative, just like Wemby's size and skill combination. David had his share of touchdown passes where he basically outran his defense to create an opening. Had Robinson started running too soon, he would've run out of space to create separation. Wemby's not Robinson in terms of speed, but he's probably the closest thing the Spurs have had in that regard.
Basically Robinson knew even during his rookie season what his advantages were and how to use them to score. Whether he knew that because he was a grown man or because Larry Brown told him to, Young Dave started off much better acclimatized to the NBA than Wemby is. Victor is not a static NBA player. As he matures, he'll develop static elements just like David did. Movement players can absolutely tear holes in a defense. At this point in his career, I think Wemby is much more of a timing player, and his development would be best used on getting him to recognize those windows and on his teammates to look for him during those windows. As I've said before, if you put players in artificial situations where you create and exploit windows of Wemby flashing, you'll teach them how to create and exploit those situations organically. The Spurs hopefully will get to a point where they don't need to run very many plays, but they damned sure aren't at that point yet.
So a lot of this sounds like you're not actually looking at what I'm saying. Like I never said it's not the offense's job to get Wemby shots. I've said over and over and over and over at this point that it is a problem that the offense isn't getting Wemby shots. Wemby should be getting good shots from the offense. I said that it's not the POINT to get him shots. The point of the offense is the be efficient and easy. You're trying to win games here, whether that happens this year or eventually. Getting Wemby shots is one of the mechanisms to do that. So if you don't get that, even while responding to a post where I literally say that getting Wemby shots should be a major element if not the foundation of the offense.
What hypothetical are you talking about? In the real world, Wemby is 20th in the league in USG%, he's 18 in FGA and sixth in turnovers. He uses a ton of possessions. No, he doesn't use as many as prime superstars, but he uses as many if not more than those players used at his age. He's at Prime Tim levels of usage. That's the reality. No one is talking about the Chicago game here. That was a bad game. We're talking about the season as a whole.Wemby is the number one option Chinook.
Wemby is currently averaging 25 used possessions per 36. The only reason why you're reading that as too few touches to get a rhythm is because of your bias. I'm not saying that to insult you. I legit mean that you are so focused on Wemby that you aren't looking at the rest of the league. He needs higher-quality touches, but the amount is already extremely high for the Spurs historically.First off, nobody said that, and secondly why don’t you believe in the franchise player to do better with more touches and more shots. It’s a weird mentality.
So you seriously posted this while accusing me of "making up excuse to making up plays and are now in the making up scenarios"? Can it never occur to you that Wemby might just be young and that he doesn't necessarily know how to play his best ball against the best compe ion in the world? No, man. It's not everyone else's fault all the time if his possessions don't work out. No, I'm not saying it's ALWAYS his fault either. Think about how many assumptions you have to make to hold the view you just posted. It's irrational and not supported by what's actually happening ont the court.The reason why Wemby leads the Spurs in TOs in bc he gets the ball outta position so much and has to create his own shot. Dude fights in the paint, doesn’t get the ball bc supposedly nobody knows how to throw a pass I learned in 5th grade, and then traverses to the 3 point line to get the ball from a dead on chest pass bc apparently our team is only good enough to do 1st grade level passes. Then he is outta position, not in a comfortable spot, not in rhythm, and the shot clock is winding down. It’s stupid offense to do that to him.
Dude, what the at this point? Like is there proof that he's always going to be an inefficient player? What the would that even look like. No one's saying that. But is there evidence that he's been ridiculously inefficient so far? Yes. That's not debatable. Like if you just don't want to look it up, that's fine. But NBA.com has really detailed stats, and you can see from his shot chart that he's below-average to well below-average at every place on the court other than inside the circle and at the left wing. If you can't see that, then you're only demonstrating how much the bias is getting to you.Idgaf if he is inefficient, there’s zero proof of that btw,
As I said, he's already doing that. Complaining about him not getting that in a game where he missed a stint and then turning yourself inside out because people are talking about the rest of the season doesn't negate that.He gets 20 shots a game. That’s the expectation going forward.
Again, no if that means just whenever he raises his hand. For all the talk about how David was just like Wemby and how I was lying or whatever, David didn't do what you think Wemby should do. He was an off-ball player as a rookie who knew how to pick his spots rather than trying to swing his around like you think Victor has to do.We get him the ball where he likes to get the ball.
Victor gets the ball and shoots the most. Every single one of those players is better than Wemby. We all hope that Wemby is better than all of those guys, but he's not there yet, and if he's even as good as one of them, it would be a success. You're so skewed that you said " ing Haliburton" as if the dude isn't a superstar. Holy man, take a chill pill.Luka gets the ball and shoots the most
Giannis gets the ball and shoots the most
Joker gets the ball ans shoots the most
Steph gets the ball and shoots the most
Lebron gets the ball and shoots the most
ing Halliburton gets the ball and shoots the most
Five more shots a game is a whole ing lot. Anyway, the FGA doesn't reflect actual usage, which Wemby dominates compared to his teammates.on the Spurs VW shoots once more a game than Vassell and only 2 more than KJ and somehow only 5 more than Collins AND Sochan. That’s criminal man and THAT is not winning basketball or good offense
Rk Player Age TS% USG% WS/48 BPM VORP 1 Victor Wembanyama 20 0.52 29.3 0.013 -0.4 0.3 2 Devin Vassell 23 0.589 23.8 0.059 0 0.3 3 Keldon Johnson 24 0.573 21.3 0.069 -0.7 0.3 4 Zach Collins 26 0.579 21.3 0.042 -2 0 5 Malaki Branham 20 0.527 18.5 -0.018 -5.6 -0.6 6 Jeremy Sochan 20 0.488 18.2 -0.013 -5.1 -0.6 7 Julian Champagnie 22 0.555 17.4 0.009 -2.2 0 8 Cedi Osman 28 0.582 17.3 0.053 -2.4 0 9 Blake Wesley 20 0.465 17 0.053 -1.6 0 10 Sandro Mamukelashvili 24 0.488 16.4 0.039 -2.3 0 11 Tre Jones 24 0.541 15.9 0.048 -2.9 -0.1 12 Doug McDermott 32 0.615 14.2 0.051 -2.5 -0.1 13 Devonte' Graham 28 0.497 13.8 0.106 -1.2 0 14 Charles Bassey 23 0.739 11.8 0.144 0.9 0.2 15 Dominick Barlow 20 0.43 10.8 -0.009 -8.8 -0.1 16 Sidy Cissoko 19 6 -0.205 -16.6 0
We can only hope that the young players, all of whom are on social media, and the Spurs media team see like this. It's one thing for Spurs fans who watch every game to notice... it's another thing for the entire world to notice.
Dude, you literally said "This seems to boggle the minds of a lot of posters but the point of the Spurs offense isn't to get Wemby a bunch of shots. That should be a major element, if not the foundation. But Wemby scoring is a means to an end. The Spurs offense is dysfunctional when Wemby is on the floor, and that's not just because they don't pass him the ball as much as he would like."
How can "the point of the offense" not be to get Wemby shots, but that still be the foundation of the offense?
real simple actually. Victor should be getting shots. Victor isn't getting shots. Foundation, point, whatever. The ing scrubs should pass him the ball or be waived/benched.
I can PROMISE you this would not happen on the Lakers. The fans would revolt.
Lebron averaged over 18FGA a game in his rookie season, right out of high school.
Vassell: We need to do a better job feeding Wemby
Also Vassell: [Dribbles around for 15 seconds, jacks up a 28 foot 3pt shot out of a triple team with 2 seconds left on the shot clock]
Now that's some wild .
Isn't this the coach's job?
chinook has been a vocal critic of pop this year tbh
^^^ true, and I do recognize this
Is there a site that breaks down every assist on who made it and who hit the shot? Would be nice to see who the outliers are.
If only Wemby knew...at that time
I noticed this a lot since recently. He cuts really hard and fights extremely hard to get a moment of air, for only the passing angles to never be in his favour. This is IMO the main factor behind his conditioning right now and why he can't play high 30 mins. He is gassing himself for little reason. I understand that we are taught in sports, all sports really, to do the small things at 100%. But it's about being smarter when you need to use all your energy. Wemby hasn't learnt that yet.
He could easily decide to seal his man on the opposite side of the play and wait/hope the ball swings around or be in favoured position to get the offensive rebound. But instead he cuts and fights, puts his hand up for the ball and there was also going to be a very low chance the ball could safely get to him. I wonder while typing this, is his height a disadvantage for his awareness? Does he think he is more open than he really is?
I don't think Chinook is wrong about his criticisms of Wemby in that he lacks positioning and calls for the ball too much. He's alright right that Wemby's usage is high. But Spurs fans in general are also right that the offense does not nearly enough to get the ball to Wemby in good spots which means the usage is high in a way that doesn't make it feel like the Spurs are actually trying to use Wemby appropriately because they're not. As far as I'm concerned, none of this is on any of issues are things Wemby is responsible for solving. He asks for the ball a lot because he's by far the best player out there and its beyond obvious. I go back and forth on some of these players because the lack of a cohesive system on either end of the court is such a detriment that I can't tell how bad our team actually is but then they do that is so inncredibly stupid (like basic basketball fundamental that Wemby has a handle on so much more than any other person on this team) and it also seems to be that it is possible they are just dumb. The fact is that the lack of modern systems on either end of the court just makes it impossible to know where we are as a team.
The worst offender of not getting the ball to Wemby are Vassell and Johnson.
Something I don't want either, is for the locker room to turn against Wenby. Force feeding him just to make it all a show.
It sucks. It doesn't feel like they've played like a team since their first few games.
Everyone other than Cedi tbh. Too many times I've seen Wemby open for a pass when instead they'll take a 3.
This fvcking says it all.
Fire the fvcking morons still trying this Sochan bull and trade for a real ing PG
Any moron can see trading KJ while he has some sort of stock is the way to go...along with Doug or whatever.
Just ing do it you s
Those mother ers could careless that they are clowning them on social media.
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