Charania: Spurs Have Exploratory Interest In Murray

[baseline bum]

not to mention they can take advantage of maxey's cap hold being lower than what he's going to sign for, same way spurs were able to squeeze in aldridge signing before re-signing kawhi

I was figuring that in. I'm rusty on my CBA knowledge but remember cap hold used to be 150% of previous year salary but could swear there are situations it can go to 200%. Even if it has moved to 200% that only chops a couple million off their capspace though.

[My Fault]

Getting Murray back is simply the night is ending and you’re desperate to not go home alone, desperate for that ROY as if it’s the most important thing

[baseline bum]

Everyone trying to see how the Spurs can rip the Hawks off again.

The Hawks won't be giving him away to the spurs after their bad trade with the Spurs the first time.

Maybe not but the Spurs can easily destroy that Knicks offer without giving up either the 25 pick, the 26 swap, or even Keldon.

[baseline bum]

Getting Murray back is simply the night is ending and you’re desperate to not go home alone, desperate for that ROY as if it’s the most important thing

Disagree. He's on a great contract and looks to be available for pennies on the dollar.

[spurraider21]

I was figuring that in. I'm rusty on my CBA knowledge but remember cap hold used to be 150% of previous year salary but could swear there are situations it can go to 200%. Even if it has moved to 200% that only chops a couple million off their capspace though.

his cap hold will be 13mil per spotrac

[RC_Drunkford]

spurs can just offer them the worst of the 25 picks to ensure they still maximize chance of Flagg. give back 27 outright.

thats still 2 FRP right there. this way hawks can still tank into a decent pick in a 2024 draft, they will still get a FRP in 2025, still have the lesser of the 2026 picks per the swap, and get their original 2027 pick back

add in the fake charlotte pick, branham + graham for salary

how deep is that 2025 draft though? I don't know much about it, aside from there being a lot of hype about that class and multiple firsts might help us to trade up

[spurraider21]

how deep is that 2025 draft though? I don't know much about it, aside from there being a lot of hype about that class and multiple firsts might help us to trade up

i dont know either tbh. but all the hype is about flagg. doesnt seem like the type of pick anybody is trading down from. but you're going to have to give the hawks something in the short term. they already figure to have a solid 2024 pick

[baseline bum]

his cap hold will be 13mil per spotrac

Damn the CBA really must have changed a lot the last 3-4 years. I was thinking a $6 million to $9 million hold since he's making around ~$4.5 million.

[RC_Drunkford]

i dont know either tbh. but all the hype is about flagg. doesnt seem like the type of pick anybody is trading down from. but you're going to have to give the hawks something in the short term. they already figure to have a solid 2024 pick

give them the worst of the 25 Hawks, CHI and Spurs pick

[scott]

how deep is that 2025 draft though? I don't know much about it, aside from there being a lot of hype about that class and multiple firsts might help us to trade up

There is another kid, AJ Dybantsa, who is supposed to be up there with Flagg and Boozer. I think he is in the 2026 draft though, one site I saw even had him ahead of Boozer.

[Mugen]

Pop must be confused AF, he's been calling Champagnie "Dejounte" for two years now tbh

[Mal]

If Hawks GM do that for less than getting all his picks and swaps back

[CGD]

There's no way the Hawks trade Dejounte for just salary filler + protected firsts + seconds. Especially since they don't control their own draft from 2025-2027.

I think something like Keldon + CHI 1st + one of ATL's picks back (2025 or 2027) is the minimum they would consider. Remember that the Spurs are not the only team that will send offers.

Though I do think the Spurs are on a good future trajectory with respect to cap sheet and picks. They shouldn't break the bank getting Dejounte imo.

Hard pass on sending their unprotected picks back to them. Those are incredibly valuable with that team changing course/rebuilding now and Flagg and Boozer in the mix.

Go shop elsewhere Atlanta.

[rascal]

LOL @ that Hawks forum someone posted. They thing we should give them all their picks back and the swap should go the other way. Basically, that we should pay them for letting them have Murray for 2 years

Nothing to this point has moved me off of my original thoughts at an offer:

SA '27 FRP (Unprotected)
CHI Pick
Anyone who isn't Wemby, Devin, Keldon, Tre.

If they want Sochan, downgrade the CHI pick to the CHA pick plus two more SRPs.

I also thought about making the '27 pick the lesser of SA or ATL, but I think ATL needs a little bit of upside and I'm definitely not offering them the best of the two. I also am betting that we'll be good by 2027.

This is more like it. Vassell or Sochan and one unprotected pick of Spurs 24 or Hawks 25 or Spurs 25 and if Sochan then pick swap with Atlanta back also. You do the deal? The deal has to hurt a little and if it doesn't then no trade.

[CGD]

If Hawks GM do that for less than getting all his picks and swaps back

I mean, almost by definition it’s going to be the case. They did not get the value they paid, and are selling at a loss.

[Dverde]

Not sure why Tre would be off limits if we are trading for a primary point guard. I doubt the Hawks would really want him either.

[BacktoBasics]

Hard pass on sending their unprotected picks back to them. Those are incredibly valuable with that team changing course/rebuilding now and Flagg and Boozer in the mix.

Go shop elsewhere Atlanta.

This forum has shown no ability to exercise patience but I agree with you. I’m not opposed to Murray returning but it needs to make sense. Even a little overpaying is fine. He’s a built in fit. But we can’t get stupid.

[Dejounte]

New Big Three:

Dejounte ——- Tony
Vassell ———— Manu
Wemby ———- Timmy

Surround These Three With 3 And D Players And It’s Over For The League

Why Are You Typing Like This?

Will Be Posting This Way Until He’s Traded Here For Good Luck

[baseline bum]

This is more like it. Vassell or Sochan and one unprotected pick of Spurs 24 or Hawks 25 or Spurs 25 and if Sochan then pick swap with Atlanta back also. You do the deal? The deal has to hurt a little and if it doesn't then no trade.

Atlanta doesn't have the leverage to extract anywhere near that much and you have the Spurs bidding against themselves

[exstatic]

Murray has proven he can't really throw lob passes

He excels at bounce passes waist high. Good for LMA mid range jumpers but not so great for Wemby who desperately needs someone who can get the passes up in the air.

Actually, he had trouble synching with Jakob, because Jak was the one that wanted bounce passes, while DJ was better at lobs.

[rascal]

Atlanta doesn't have the leverage to extract anywhere near that much and you have the Spurs bidding against themselves

That's what you hope for to rip them off.

[Mal]

I mean, almost by definition it’s going to be the case. They did not get the value they paid, and are selling at a loss.

But the GM has to try to keep his job after that. Spurs should be ruthless

[scott]

ATL will definitely be selling DJM at a loss. Trading him back to the Spurs is tough because it will be extremely obvious how much of a loss it will be. At least trading to another team for a different mix of assets (players + picks) you at least give the homer fans some opportunity to argue that the team came out ahead (even when they didn't).

Even if they did DJM for Sochan, Branham and the CHI pick might be an easier pill to swallow for ATL fans than 1 unprotected FRP and 1 protected. Optics are going to have to matter to some degree for the Hawks.

[baseline bum]

That's what you hope for to rip them off.

Yes I want to win the trade. If that Knicks rumor is true there is no good market for Murray and they're bent completely over the table right now.

[Dejounte]

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