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    And all three were very successful NBA players, which just reinforces the general concept that early success in Europe translates well to success in the NBA.

    I'm not super impressed with the videos I've watched of Topic, but you can't deny the production at Mega and Red Star in ABA play this year (though only a 14 game sample size). I think the big question is whether the ABA is a good enough league to draw many conclusions on. Doncic and Sengun showed their stuff in Europe's top leagues. Topic really needs to show something in EuroLeague.

    But, the Adriatic League has produced Jokic, Saric, Nurkic, Bojan Bogdanovic, and now Micic is in the NBA.

    Also did not realize Spurs alums Banes, Joffrey, Bertans, Beno played in the ABA. Also Milutinov and Dragic. Maybe PAFTO has a secret boner for the ABA.
    all his hype comes from 16 ABA games, 2 of which were with red star

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    Y'all should really, at least, come up with an example then. I have no idea who's correct because i haven't looked at it historically, but the other side did give examples(plural) to support their position. Your side should at least be able to produce a couple to at least make it a debate.
    I Will Be Happy To Provide A Response Like That When I Am Off These Caps

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    Again, No Player With Similar Size Has The Same Fluidity He Has On Offense. Look At The Myriad Of Ways He Is Scoring And How Natural He Does It, Compared To Someone Like Risacher Who Looks Like He’s Still Learning How To Play Basketball

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    NBA GMs don't like to take risks on projections and probabilities. That is why teams are only drafting college seniors these days.
    nobody likes lmao but it’s not like u have a choice …

    it’s always a projection based on probability

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    Again, No Player With Similar Size Has The Same Fluidity He Has On Offense. Look At The Myriad Of Ways He Is Scoring And How Natural He Does It, Compared To Someone Like Risacher Who Looks Like He’s Still Learning How To Play Basketball
    I can’t shake this guy. He really intrigues me, but I still have Zach and Cody ahead of him at the moment. He’s my #3 tho.

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    Unless Buzelis shows he can shoot, he's a bad fit.

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    I Will Be Happy To Provide A Response Like That When I Am Off These Caps
    Lol... Fair enough...

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    Again, No Player With Similar Size Has The Same Fluidity He Has On Offense. Look At The Myriad Of Ways He Is Scoring And How Natural He Does It, Compared To Someone Like Risacher Who Looks Like He’s Still Learning How To Play Basketball
    thats sum good looking d.

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    Here's a list of PG prospects I'd love some opinions on:

    Juan Nunez - 19 year old averaging 10.4ppg, 5.8 apg, 3.8rpg in EuroCup, had a decent run last summer for Spain in FIBA, 7.0ppg, 6.3apg, 4.7rpg in 21.7mpg
    Tamin Lipsey - Iowa State
    Ajay Mitc - UC Santa Barbara

    I saw Ajay Mitc in one top 10, but definitely an outlier.

    https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/chan...-ajay-mitc

    But that article definitely raises my interest in him. Specifically, if we get a small forward with our own pic but miss out on Toronto's pick, I would be interested in trying to throw together a bunch of second round picks and scraps to see if there's a way to squeeze into the late first round to grab this guy if he's still there.
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    Unless Buzelis shows he can shoot, he's a bad fit.
    It's a legitimate concern but I think he shot better in high school. My main concern is his motor and motivation, but the skills seem to be there, and he seems more comfortable handling the ball than Risacher.

    He comes from a very long basketball family with his grandfather I think being a legendary Lithuanian player, and both of his parents playing also if I remember correctly.

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    Looks like Buzelis and Holland will get a chance to show off their skills playing alongside NBA payers in two weeks at the All Star Game Rising Stars tournament. Hoping Wemby gets paired with Matas or Ron, that would be nice. Love to see Victor run the break with Holland, or kick out to Buzelis for 3. Big moment for those 2 in a couple of weeks.

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    It's a legitimate concern but I think he shot better in high school. My main concern is his motor and motivation, but the skills seem to be there, and he seems more comfortable handling the ball than Risacher.

    He comes from a very long basketball family with his grandfather I think being a legendary Lithuanian player, and both of his parents playing also if I remember correctly.
    40%+ from 3 in high school..

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    Yeah the 3 line is different from High School to College so some players have issues in first season - but his FT should be much better as that does not change.

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    Yeah the 3 line is different from High School to College so some players have issues in first season - but his FT should be much better as that does not change.
    Curious about the G league rules about only shooting one free throw, how that affects players percentages and stats. I literally just learned the other day that they only shoot one FT shot for most of the game? Might be affecting percentages in some way. But definitely affecting attempt totals, right? - like Ron Holland averages 4 FTs in the G league, but does that equate to 6-7 in the NBA? Maybe someone out there has a better handle on this. ...but another good game from Matas last night: 2/5 on 3s, 2 steals, 4 blocks.

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    Trying to interpret players development with their statistics in the G League sounds very challenging overall, and I have to agree with others that it is getting difficult to totally trust that league for development of players, at least with ignite. In some ways, and I'm getting a little cynical here, it feels like the future of the NBA with just everything being somewhat meaningless and "fun". As more and more players go to the g League it doesn't mean good players cannot still come out of there and be good in NBA, but it seems like it's going to take at least a year to recalibrate their development. It just seems so odd that this is how the NBA would want to try to develop players for the NBA, but on the other hand it totally makes sense.

    *Steps off soapbox

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    Trying to interpret players development with their statistics in the G League sounds very challenging overall, and I have to agree with others that it is getting difficult to totally trust that league for development of players, at least with ignite. In some ways, and I'm getting a little cynical here, it feels like the future of the NBA with just everything being somewhat meaningless and "fun". As more and more players go to the g League it doesn't mean good players cannot still come out of there and be good in NBA, but it seems like it's going to take at least a year to recalibrate their development. It just seems so odd that this is how the NBA would want to try to develop players for the NBA, but on the other hand it totally makes sense.

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    Yeah, the guys in college and Europe are on teams trying to win their leagues.

    The G League is basically a bunch of scrimmages.

    That gives an additional metric -- winning -- by which to judge the non-G League guys. It also makes you wonder about guys who sign up to play where winning doesn't matter in the first place.

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    thats sum good looking d.
    That’s interesting, because TaT has him at 4 red minuses for D,and his net rating is like -25

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    Yeah the 3 line is different from High School to College so some players have issues in first season - but his FT should be much better as that does not change.
    Buzelis is at 70% FTs, not exactly a shooting signal.

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    Yeah, the guys in college and Europe are on teams trying to win their leagues.

    The G League is basically a bunch of scrimmages.

    That gives an additional metric -- winning -- by which to judge the non-G League guys. It also makes you wonder about guys who sign up to play where winning doesn't matter in the first place.
    Big diff too is that teens in Europe play around vets who may not be MJs on the floor but still can share their experience about the game and about being a pro. Euros may be a bit more mature entering the NBA than muricans from that perspective.

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    That’s interesting, because TaT has him at 4 red minuses for D,and his net rating is like -25
    their metric for D is Defensive Rating which is in large part a team stat. its famously the stat that made carlos boozer seem like a really good defender just because he played for Thibs' bulls

    thats why all the Ignite guys have the same thing

    im not saying he's a great defender, i havent really watched full games from them, just sayin that their metric to evaluate defense is a poor one

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    Everyone’s Favorite Prospect

    This Is The Problem With 1-Dimensional Shooters. If Their Shot Isn’t On, Their Ways To Score Are Limited And They Go On To Have Virtually Little Impact On The Game. It’s Almost Like What Everybody Complains About Vassell But To A Greater Degree Since Risacher Is Much More Of A Stiff Than Vassell Is Because Of His Size And Lesser Agility.

    These Euroleague Players Are Toying With Him On Offense, Getting By Him Like It’s Nothing And He’s Being Pushed Around By Bigger Players. This Guy Has No Chance Against Nba Players Tbh.

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    Follow up on Ryan Dunn. So high on this kid.



    If the Raptors' pick does not convey, I would draft him over any player not named Alexander Sarr. Admittedly, he hasn't had many offensive games like this, but just watch how his athleticism just pops out on tape.

    Reasoning: Dunn looks like he could be one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA by his second or third year in the league. His defensive tape is unreal. I know the Spurs need a PG, but you have to take a look at the macro-level trends in the NBA. This is probably the most boring era for NBA fandom in the past 35+ years. The league is filled with stars, but the game has become so tilted toward offense that it almost looks scripted at times. Viewership is declining, and the NBA is going to have to do something to constrain NBA offenses sometime soon. In the meantime, the Spurs will have to contend with NBA offenses that routinely score in the high 130s. And, the league has some very exciting young wings that Wemby will have to contend with his entire career. Cooper Flag is going to be a monster. Anthony Edwards is only 22 years old. Tatum, Wagner, and Doncic are all going to be around for a while. Right now the NBA Elite perimeter defense is the league's most valuable currency, and in a draft this meh I think you take a stab finding your next Kawhi.

    In terms of his offensive potential -- I think Ryan Dunn has all of the athletic tools he needs to be a very, very special player. He had a very late growth spurt and is 6 or 7 inches taller than when he committed to UVA. He has guard like quickness, and unreal hops (one of the reason he has so many blocks as a college 3). He has a really strong nose for offensive rebounds, and he runs the floor like a gazelle. Despite the growth spurt, he's very coordinated and fluid, and he is a very high IQ player. Developing his 3 point shot will be critical, but when I watch him shoot it looks like he has solid mechanics and decent form. I wonder if his growth spurt may have altered shot. In any event, shooting 35% from 3 will allow Dunn to attack closeouts with ferocity in the NBA. His above the rim potential is also elite given his tremendous positional size. Take a look at the video below to get a sense of him last year as a freshman. In his interviews he also sounds like a very humble, smart, and thoughtful kid.

    LINK
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    Yeah, you can't teach the instincts Dunn has, especially on defense. That said, he's a worse 3 point/FT shooter than Kawhi or Bruce Bowen ever were in college. But as you said, he's a high IQ player, so he does most of his shooting in the paint and doesn't turn the ball over. If his shot can be fixed like Sochan's was, that's a great ing pick.

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    Follow up on Ryan Dunn. So high on this kid.



    If the Raptors' pick does not convey, I would draft him over any player not named Alexander Sarr. Admittedly, he hasn't had many offensive games like this, but just watch how his athleticism just pops out on tape.

    Reasoning: Dunn looks like he could be one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA by his second or third year in the league. His defensive tape is unreal. I know the Spurs need a PG, but you have to take a look at the macro-level trends in the NBA. This is probably the most boring era for NBA fandom in the past 35+ years. The league is filled with stars, but the game has become so tilted toward offense that it almost looks scripted at times. Viewership is declining, and the NBA is going to have to do something to constrain NBA offenses sometime soon. In the meantime, the Spurs will have to contend with NBA offenses that routinely score in the high 130s. And, the league has some very exciting young wings that Wemby will have to contend with his entire career. Cooper Flag is going to be a monster. Anthony Edwards is only 22 years old. Tatum, Wagner, and Doncic are all going to be around for a while. Right now the NBA Elite perimeter defense is the league's most valuable currency, and in a draft this meh I think you take a stab finding your next Kawhi.

    In terms of his offensive potential -- I think Ryan Dunn has all of the athletic tools he needs to be a very, very special player. He had a very late growth spurt and is 6 or 7 inches taller than when he committed to UVA. He has guard like quickness, and unreal hops (one of the reason he has so many blocks as a college 3). He has a really strong nose for offensive rebounds, and he runs the floor like a gazelle. Despite the growth spurt, he's very coordinated and fluid, and he is a very high IQ player. Developing his 3 point shot will be critical, but when I watch him shoot it looks like he has solid mechanics and decent form. I wonder if his growth spurt may have altered shot. In any event, shooting 35% from 3 will allow Dunn to attack closeouts with ferocity in the NBA. His above the rim potential is also elite given his tremendous positional size. Take a look at the video below to get a sense of him last year as a freshman. In his interviews he also sounds like a very humble, smart, and thoughtful kid.

    LINK
    You said it yourself, you need to keep up with teams that will put up 130 no matter what. How do you plan to do that with a team that would have guys like Tre, Sochan and Dunn playing big minutes? The Spurs can't keep adding guys that can't shoot.

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    Just sort of spitballing here on some of the different wing players.

    Risacher: predictable floor but doesn't project to be multi dimensional.

    Buzelis: multi dimensional, comfortable with the ball, questionable shot and motor, high ceiling, if he hits, pretty much what we want at the SF spot

    Holland: unquestionable motor, less skilled, making progress with the ball, will need seasoning, not a classic Pop player, questions about feel for the game

    The interview with Buzelis may be important. But workouts will probably be empty gym so getting a handle on his motor, to me, is the question.

    Just rambling.

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