Fischer: Spurs Repeatedly Mentioned By NBA Figures As Potential Home For Young

[Rubberducky]

If you guys want a good laugh go check out reddit. Spurs and Hawks pages have been going at each other ever since the trade deadline ended and it's turned into a pettyoff today.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AtlantaHawks/

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/

[Ariel]

Who in the summer of 2022 says no to DJM + CHI'25 + TOR'24 in exchange for Wemby + Trae?

The problem with that reasoning is that neither Dejounte, nor any of those picks (Atlanta, Chicago or Toronto) have the same value right now as they did then (Dejounte's value decreased, the picks' value increased). Being hyperbolic, it'd be like trying to convince Denver to take a FRP for Jokic, because no one would have turned down that offer in 2014 for a #41 pick.

My main problem is that the value of those picks don't match at all that of the picks returned in trades for players of similar value: Minnesota's picks for Gobert, Cleveland's picks for Donovan Mitc , etc. In a vacuum, 4 picks aren't too much, but here were talking 4 likely lottery picks & a swap, 3 of those with very high potential. The Spurs could move one of those higher potential picks for several less valuable ones (say, to OKC or NYK), if the goal is to match a given # of picks.

Another example is Pascal Siakam, a 2 time all star, 2 time all NBA (once 2nd team, once 3rd team). The situation isn't comparable, because he's a few years older (29 vs 24), on an expiring contract, and arguably a tier below. But he's a proven 2-way no. 2 guy on a championship team, and he went for a role player (Bruce Brown) and 3 projected late first rounders. I'm not suggesting this should be a fair valuation for Trae, but rather saying opportunities will arise like they do every year, and you should think twice before running out of ammo (both in terms of assets and salary cap).

Personally I'd probably try to sell Atlanta on a retool (rather than a rebuild) based on a high draft pick this year (the Spurs' own) plus one other pick (Toronto/Chicago), with the possibility of swapping the latter for their own '25 if they take Zach Collins as part of the package. Then include Keldon, and maybe Tre. If they want more picks, include Charlotte's first (kind of fake, but first after all for PR purposes) or use the Spurs #33 + #44 to land a late first rounder this year. That's a total of 4 first round picks, 2 of them high lottery, plus young players. That's the absolute most I'd go for Trae, and I don't think it's a low ball offer at all. Otherwise lets see what the market has to offer them and tell them to come back with a better offer.

[scott]

The problem with that reasoning is that neither Dejounte, nor any of those picks (Atlanta, Chicago or Toronto) have the same value right now as they did then (Dejounte's value decreased, the picks' value increased). Being hyperbolic, it'd be like trying to convince Denver to take a FRP for Jokic, because no one would have turned down that offer in 2014 for a #41 pick.

My main problem is that the value of those picks don't match at all that of the picks returned in trades for players of similar value: Minnesota's picks for Gobert, Cleveland's picks for Donovan Mitc , etc. In a vacuum, 4 picks aren't too much, but here were talking 4 likely lottery picks & a swap, 3 of those with very high potential. The Spurs could move one of those higher potential picks for several less valuable ones (say, to OKC or NYK), if the goal is to match a given # of picks.

Another example is Pascal Siakam, a 2 time all star, 2 time all NBA (once 2nd team, once 3rd team). The situation isn't comparable, because he's a few years older (29 vs 24), on an expiring contract, and arguably a tier below. But he's a proven 2-way no. 2 guy on a championship team, and he went for a role player (Bruce Brown) and 3 projected late first rounders. I'm not suggesting this should be a fair valuation for Trae, but rather saying opportunities will arise like they do every year, and you should think twice before running out of ammo (both in terms of assets and salary cap).

Personally I'd probably try to sell Atlanta on a retool (rather than a rebuild) based on a high draft pick this year (the Spurs' own) plus one other pick (Toronto/Chicago), with the possibility of swapping the latter for their own '25 if they take Zach Collins as part of the package. Then include Keldon, and maybe Tre. If they want more picks, include Charlotte's first (kind of fake, but first after all for PR purposes) or use the Spurs #33 + #44 to land a late first rounder this year. That's a total of 4 first round picks, 2 of them high lottery, plus young players. That's the absolute most I'd go for Trae, and I don't think it's a low ball offer at all. Otherwise lets see what the market has to offer them and tell them to come back with a better offer.

Always appreciate your way of thinking, but just so you know I'm not purposely ignoring you - I'm just done talking about the ATL'25 pick after this post. I've provided numerous reasons why I think ATL would demand that specific pick as a starting point. You can agree, or disagree, that's fine... I'm just done quibbling about it because in my opinion it is pretty obvious that they won't send Trae to San Antonio without that pick as part of the package. I'd love to keep it, but it doesn't make any sense from ATL's POV. They are not going to give us Trae Young and a chance at one of two highly thought of prospects (Flagg and AJ Dybantsa, who we have not talked about much on this forum but I've seen places where he is ranked ahead of Flagg). When Trae demands a trade, the calculus changes.

Edit: Correction, apparently Dybantsa will be in the 2026 draft, but is rated ahead of Boozer as of right now.

[MultiTroll]

Edit: Correction, apparently Dybantsa will be in the 2026 draft, but is rated ahead of Boozer as of right now.

One article said dyb reclassified to the 25 draft. Is there an absolute latest on this?

[tbdog]

Trae is the best pick n roll lob passer in the NBA. That combo would be deadly.

[CGD]

One article said dyb reclassified to the 25 draft. Is there an absolute latest on this?

I think that was in reference to choking to college earlier, but not sure.

In any event, that what the ATL pick swap is for :-)

[mudd]

Trae is the best pick n roll lob passer in the NBA. That combo would be deadly.

How would anyone stop that! Just build a defense around that. Of course how would b wrong figure that one out!

[MultiTroll]

I think that was in reference to choking to college earlier, but not sure.

eh?

[onechance87]

gotta hope atl to miss the playoffs this season to get things moving for a potential trade.

[Spurs Homer]

We're getting Trae and it is going to be phenomenal.

Trae/Jones/Wesley
Vassell/Holiday (He will sign with us after BOS doesn't win the ring this year)/Wesley
Risacher/Johnson IF not traded. If traded, insert random VET
Sohan/Barlow
Wemby/Collins

Add in a few VETS that want to come in and play
One thing we're not mentioning is how much better Vassell will be. All the attention on Wemby/Trae, Vassell will have the easiest time of his life. We're not going to make 5 trades, we never do so lets be realistic. Go get Trae, draft the future SF and add a few small pieces here and there. That lineup can play against anyone. Who are we affraid of, the Wolves? OKC is the only team I'd be worried about.

GO GET TRAE!!!

get rid of blackhole vassell and ill co-sign

[scott]

One article said dyb reclassified to the 25 draft. Is there an absolute latest on this?

I think he reclassified from the ‘26 class to the ‘25 class, but apparently when they use “class” they are talking about the year they enter college, not the year they enter the draft.

[MultiTroll]

So at this point in development, with plenty of time to change.....

Boozer or Dyba would be an absolute score to pair with Wemby?

[spurraider21]

It's not about what you think is the likely outcome. It's about how front offices react in these situations. We have seen repeatedly that a team that leverages its future before deciding to sell off assets does not make a priority to reacquire its picks. The only example I can remember of a team doing that is Hinkie getting Philly's protected pick back from Orlando in the Saric/Payton trade. That's it. Even right now, we see Houston trading for Brooklyn's future after selling theirs to OKC and Brooklyn taking Phoenix's rather than trying to get theirs back from Houston. As I said, for better or worse, teams don't do what posters feel confident the Hawks will do.

thats in part because its pretty rare for the team to have just been a big seller becoming a big buyer that soon.

after OKC traded westbrook to houston, its not like OKC was actively trying to buy harden at that point. that was the same offseason where they were unloading PG to the clippers.

when houston sold harden to brooklyn, its true that brooklyn didnt go back to houston, they went to philly/phoenix to offload harden and durant. but was houston actively trying to trade for a star at that point?

so houston didnt really have the opportunity to buy its future back from OKC, nor did Brooklyn have that opp with phoenix.

its not a usual cir stance where a team that just blew it up is potentially looking to trade picks for parts within 1 season. while the spurs had been trading parts for a while, the murray trade was the obvious tipping point and 1.5 seasons later the spurs have an all-time foundational piece who looks poised to get better quickly

[scott]

So at this point in development, with plenty of time to change.....

Boozer or Dyba would be an absolute score to pair with Wemby?

I honestly don't know much about these kids other than they are the next "generational talents" (along with Flagg). AJ is a SF, Boozer a PF... so I'd assume they'd be theoretical fits, but I actually don't know.

[manufan10]

One less option available this offseason:

[Mitch Cumsteen]

The number of people pining for this empty calorie, no defense playing, coach killing, bad teammate, ball dominant chucker is incredible. I don't care what the stats say. Trae Young plays losing basketball. He's a loser.

Granted, he looks like the love child of Michael Jordan and Steph Curry every time he faces the Spurs, but dear lord he will get hunted endlessly and mercilessly on defense in the playoffs. The notion that Victor is going to cover up for him is ridiculous. As if NBA teams are going to walk Vic into those switches. That's not how it works. They are going to roach him in the corner, and play 4 on 3 while Young get bullied to death. You don't even have to go into the paint to exploit Young. Teams kill him twenty feet from the basket. The Spurs need long, switchable guys on defense to maximize and fully unleash Victor. Why on God's green earth would you try to handicap Wemby like that?

[rankingtear]

The number of people pining for this empty calorie, no defense playing, coach killing, bad teammate, ball dominant chucker is incredible. I don't care what the stats say. Trae Young plays losing basketball. He's a loser.

Granted, he looks like the love child of Michael Jordan and Steph Curry every time he faces the Spurs, but dear lord he will get hunted endlessly and mercilessly on defense in the playoffs. The notion that Victor is going to cover up for him is ridiculous. As if NBA teams are going to walk Vic into those switches. That's not how it works. They are going to roach him in the corner, and play 4 on 3 while Young get bullied to death. You don't even have to go into the paint to exploit Young. Teams kill him twenty feet from the basket. The Spurs need long, switchable guys on defense to maximize and fully unleash Victor. Why on God's green earth would you try to handicap Wemby like that?

Nobody in here watched Aaron Gordon bully balled Gabe Vincent in the finals.

[spurraider21]

One less option available this offseason:

thats Tre Jones money!

[Kevin]

Been running lottery scenarios on Tankathon and what if the Hawks land in the top 4? Would it change their plans at all in regards to Young? It probably wouldn't given the weakness of this year class at the top but its worth thinking about.

[LeBowen]

Nobody in here watched Aaron Gordon bully balled Gabe Vincent in the finals.

Because there's a guard in the league Aaron Gordon wouldn't bully.

[onechance87]

how much yall think tyrus jones gonna be to get.

[LeBowen]

how much yall think tyrus jones gonna be to get.

Reports said Wizards were asking for 4 second rounders.

Idk, it would be a minor upgrade.

Spurs need a player that's capable of three level scoring and running the offense.
It doesn't look like Devin will be ever be able to do that. I'd say that he also needs a better point guard.

Meaning that unless we stumble on the next great point forward, we need someone like Trae. Our offense is prehistoric and spacing is horrible.

[RC_Drunkford]

One less option available this offseason:

this will keep happening to potential targets. We need to make trades.

The number of people pining for this empty calorie, no defense playing, coach killing, bad teammate, ball dominant chucker is incredible. I don't care what the stats say. Trae Young plays losing basketball. He's a loser.

Granted, he looks like the love child of Michael Jordan and Steph Curry every time he faces the Spurs, but dear lord he will get hunted endlessly and mercilessly on defense in the playoffs. The notion that Victor is going to cover up for him is ridiculous. As if NBA teams are going to walk Vic into those switches. That's not how it works. They are going to roach him in the corner, and play 4 on 3 while Young get bullied to death. You don't even have to go into the paint to exploit Young. Teams kill him twenty feet from the basket. The Spurs need long, switchable guys on defense to maximize and fully unleash Victor. Why on God's green earth would you try to handicap Wemby like that?

you clearly haven't watched the Hawks. Young is far from being the main problem on the defensive end for that team. He plays with 3 starters who are worse than him on defense. He's first in TO created in crunch time in the NBA. He's 11th in steals per game. He's one of the best at drawing charges and the Hawks don't bench him when they need stops. This ain't Malaki Branham we are talking about.

[tbdog]

How would anyone stop that! Just build a defense around that. Of course how would b wrong figure that one out!

It's also about making the next move. It's hawks want vassell, it's about finding the next 3&D

[JeffDuncan]

how much yall think tyrus jones gonna be to get.

For the Spurs, too much. Tyus is essentially a backup-tier point guard like Tre. The Spurs shouldn’t be interested in another such player as long as they’re still trying to develop Wesley.

Tyus will be UFA this summer, coming off a two-year contract for $29 M total, $15 M the first year, then $14 M this year. But that nice contract was a reward from the Grizz for doing such a good job filling in for Ja Morant. In other situations Tyus isn’t worth that much. I seriously doubt it, anyway.

As a starter for the Wiz he’s worth that, I suppose. To them. Maybe.

But I don’t think the Spurs will sign the Backup Brothers. They should get together and do a music video if they haven’t already.