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    Brooklyn is really bad. They may be the worst team in the league next year.

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    Brooklyn is really bad. They may be the worst team in the league next year.
    If that’s the case, they should start offloading usable pieces like Bridges and Cam Johnson, just to be sure.

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    If that’s the case, they should start offloading usable pieces like Bridges and Cam Johnson, just to be sure.
    They don't own their pick for three more years. A swap next year. No franchise may be in worse shape than they are right now. They have to get talent and/or trade for picks that convey in the next few years.

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    ^ I know this is just a backdoor way to talk about Miles Bridges. Honestly that guy has been a disappointment this year, and I would be loath to give up any of the ATL picks for him. We already have the 3rd best player on a playoff team: his name is Devin Vassell.

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    Bandwagoning other people agreeing with your incredulity is not really an argument. Saying we should have picked Sengun over Primo is precisely revisionism. The Spurs do not have to compete against that. They have to compete against the rest of the NBA.

    Most drafts have only about 20 or so players that can muster a positive VORP after a rookie contract. 2-5 that become All Stars at all and they are heavily slanted to picks 1-6.

    handwaving at the two failures doesn't demonstrate anything.
    2 major failures these last 5 years is a lot. We're not talking about hyped prospects who failed but two huge reaches/risks out of the blue no one understood who were out of SA after two years... Any other franchise do that and you trash them...

    Spurs passed on guys like Haliburton or Maxey too. Then again, it leads to Wemby so I guess those bad picks were retrospectively a good thing. But yeah, spurs have pretty mediocre at drafting these past 5 years.

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    ^ I know this is just a backdoor way to talk about Miles Bridges. Honestly that guy has been a disappointment this year, and I would be loath to give up any of the ATL picks for him. We already have the 3rd best player on a playoff team: his name is Devin Vassell.
    Bridges might have the best contract in the NBA. Johnson and picks might be a starting bid. Spurs might have a top ten D next season if that occurred. Bridges defensive effort dived when his offensive usage increased.

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    Bridges might have the best contract in the NBA. Johnson and picks might be a starting bid. Spurs might have a top ten D next season if that occurred. Bridges defensive effort dived when his offensive usage increased.
    While it's obvious that Bridges would be a perfect fit for this roster and he's on an amazing deal, Nets simply won't let him go for anything less than a star player haul.
    They won't pick up the phone for anything less than three good first-rounders. If they let him go for cheap, they're more or less done for the foreseeable future.
    And he'll be 28 at the start of the next season, so we'd be trading picks for a player who will be out of his prime before Wemby enters his.

    That's why I'd rather have cheaper and younger targets like Herb Jones and Naz Reid.

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    I rather see Toronto finishing 7th worst with a worst record than Nets than 8th. Odds to get the pick will drop from 74% to 68% but picking before Rockets(they have Nets pick) is more important to me.

    Primary playmakers/ballhandlers like Topic, Dillingham and Collier might drop in this draft and be available with the Toronto pick because they're bad fits with most of the bad teams. Detroit, Charlotte, Blazers and Grizzlies already have an important ball dominant guard. A player like Topic doesn't really fit well with these teams. Spurs and Wizards are the only two bad teams in need of a primary ballhandler/playmaker.

    If Toronto finish with a better record than Nets, Rockets will pick before Spurs Raptors pick and Houston could easily go with Topic/Dillingham/Collier. Fred VanVleet isn't their long term answer in that role, he is just a stop gap with only one guaranteed year left on his contract.

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    I rather see Toronto finishing 7th worst with a worst record than Nets than 8th. Odds to get the pick will drop from 74% to 68% but picking before Rockets(they have Nets pick) is more important to me.

    Primary playmakers/ballhandlers like Topic, Dillingham and Collier might drop in this draft and be available with the Toronto pick because they're bad fits with most of the bad teams. Detroit, Charlotte, Blazers and Grizzlies already have an important ball dominant guard. A player like Topic doesn't really fit well with these teams. Spurs and Wizards are the only two bad teams in need of a primary ballhandler/playmaker.

    If Toronto finish with a better record than Nets, Rockets will pick before Spurs Raptors pick and Houston could easily go with Topic/Dillingham/Collier. Fred VanVleet isn't their long term answer in that role, he is just a stop gap with only one guaranteed year left on his contract.
    The Rockets just drafted a PG fourth overall. While I don't think he should stop them from picking BPA, I do think they have that factored into their board. The Spurs should have a chance of grabbing one of Collier, Castle or Dillingham at 8. I don't think they should expect Topic to drop out of the top five. A team would probably trade up if he's the best PG in the class, and given the murkiness of the prospects, I think some team will be willing to make that move. If the Spurs really want him and he's there, it's a happy accident. Otherwise, they should view it as picking between Topic and the other top-five guys and have their 6-15 section of the board set up independently of that.

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    2 major failures these last 5 years is a lot. We're not talking about hyped prospects who failed but two huge reaches/risks out of the blue no one understood who were out of SA after two years... Any other franchise do that and you trash them...

    Spurs passed on guys like Haliburton or Maxey too. Then again, it leads to Wemby so I guess those bad picks were retrospectively a good thing. But yeah, spurs have pretty mediocre at drafting these past 5 years.
    Of course, now explain why PATFO are getting their sample size cut in fourths.

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    I don't know what Brooklyn does at this point. It appears they thought they could be better this year and muddle through, but they didn't. Without any picks this year, how are they getting better? Sean Marks is pretty good at finding decent pieces out of nothing, but they shat the bed with two picks last year (Noah Clowney, Dariq Whitehead).

    Unfortunately, their misery is our rival Rockets' gain. Either they sell pieces for promising younger pieces plus worse draft picks than they ones they'll give away or they somehow believe they can find something out of nothing around what they have. The first one is probably the way to go, but yeesh.

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    They don't own their pick for three more years. A swap next year. No franchise may be in worse shape than they are right now. They have to get talent and/or trade for picks that convey in the next few years.
    What's crazy is Houston offered them all of their picks back for Bridges and they said no.

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    What's crazy is Houston offered them all of their picks back for Bridges and they said no.
    I'm not sure this actually happened. Houston was going for him, but not offering their own picks back.

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    I rather see Toronto finishing 7th worst with a worst record than Nets than 8th. Odds to get the pick will drop from 74% to 68% but picking before Rockets(they have Nets pick) is more important to me.

    Primary playmakers/ballhandlers like Topic, Dillingham and Collier might drop in this draft and be available with the Toronto pick because they're bad fits with most of the bad teams. Detroit, Charlotte, Blazers and Grizzlies already have an important ball dominant guard. A player like Topic doesn't really fit well with these teams. Spurs and Wizards are the only two bad teams in need of a primary ballhandler/playmaker.

    If Toronto finish with a better record than Nets, Rockets will pick before Spurs Raptors pick and Houston could easily go with Topic/Dillingham/Collier. Fred VanVleet isn't their long term answer in that role, he is just a stop gap with only one guaranteed year left on his contract.
    The Rockets are also a lock to get Sheppard if he is available. He makes sense to them immensely. Their long term plan is to get Amen Thompson to play PG. But since he is such a bad shooter, pairing him with Sheppard will work wonders for them. Sheppard can also guard PGs while Thompson can do so against SGs and SFs. Dillingham is similarly also a good fit but Sheppard is someone that the Rockets would target.

    Conversely if the Nets do badly it is even more incentive for the possibility of their trading Bridges and /or Johnson. So, both outcomes should have some pros from the Spurs' perspective.

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    I really don't mind picking 7th or 8th, a good PG prospect will surely be there. My only concern is drafting Risacher with our pick, because the other top 3 prospects (Sarr and and Topic) I really don't like.

    Risacher with our pick, Dillingham or Sheppard with the Raptors pick and Chomche with our 2nd round pick. That would be my dream draft.

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    If Spurs really want someone, there are plenty of assets to trade up.
    Or trade down if we get the first pick and don't really rate Sarr.

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    11037665[/URL]]If Spurs really want someone, there are plenty of assets to trade up.
    Or trade down if we get the first pick and don't really rate Sarr.
    Spurs really shown they won’t do this with top picks. They’ll just keep the pick and draft whoever they have ranked next best.

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    yeah there was no rebuilding into champions 1997-2014.
    …. not sure if serious.

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    I really don't mind picking 7th or 8th, a good PG prospect will surely be there. My only concern is drafting Risacher with our pick, because the other top 3 prospects (Sarr and and Topic) I really don't like.

    Risacher with our pick, Dillingham or Sheppard with the Raptors pick and Chomche with our 2nd round pick. That would be my dream draft.

    Im seeing risacher number one in a lot of mock drafts which is crazy to me. Dude has obviously lots of potential but he is very very raw and too unconsistent to be considered a number one pick. Maybe drafting a French out of LNB is becoming a thing… and

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    Im seeing risacher number one in a lot of mock drafts which is crazy to me. Dude has obviously lots of potential but he is very very raw and too unconsistent to be considered a number one pick. Maybe drafting a French out of LNB is becoming a thing… and
    Which prospect this year isn't raw and inconsistent, though?

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    Which prospect this year isn't raw and inconsistent, though?
    don’t get me wrong I agree, I watched bunch of risacher games and if he is becoming a number one consensus or even top 5 dat draft class ing sucks. I don’t follow enough college bb to say it exists better options tho

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    don’t get me wrong I agree, I watched bunch of risacher games and if he is becoming a number one consensus or even top 5 dat draft class ing sucks. I don’t follow enough college bb to say it exists better options tho
    Consistently the people who have actually watched him can't generate the highest praise.

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    While it's obvious that Bridges would be a perfect fit for this roster and he's on an amazing deal, Nets simply won't let him go for anything less than a star player haul.
    They won't pick up the phone for anything less than three good first-rounders. If they let him go for cheap, they're more or less done for the foreseeable future.
    And he'll be 28 at the start of the next season, so we'd be trading picks for a player who will be out of his prime before Wemby enters his.

    That's why I'd rather have cheaper and younger targets like Herb Jones and Naz Reid.
    Yeah, Johnson and picks as the starting. But Spurs are too conservative to buy that big this early in Wemby's career.

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    pelicans running a train on toronto

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    pelicans running a train on toronto
    they are trash....Fire wright

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