2024 NBA Draft Thread

[The Truth #6]

I'm curious what Sheppard's vertical ends up being, if they measure it in the combine. Some of those blocks he seems to be getting up. Maybe upper 30s? If he does measure well with his jumping, I could see that making some teams a little more comfortable with him. He seems more like a Pop player, as in what Pop wants, but maybe not what he needs?

[scott]

Ifyouput one more filter, 3 FTA, it knocks down to 32 players. 3 FTA is a pretty low bar to clear to get a sample size. Most of those 150 players have fractions of attempts, and are just noise. Those 32 players almost all shoot over 30% except centers.

The list is still a lot longer than two players even if you filter out to equal or greater to 3 FTA/gm (which I would disagree with. We have enough of a sample size of Branham shooting FTs to know he is a good FT shooter, despite taking less than one FT/gm).

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/tr...=A&sort=FT_PCT

[exstatic]

The list is still a lot longer than two players even if you filter out to equal or greater to 3 FTA/gm (which I would disagree with. We have enough of a sample size of Branham shooting FTs to know he is a good FT shooter, despite taking less than one FT/gm).

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/tr...=A&sort=FT_PCT

My initial post, unedited was looking at EXACTLY 3 attempts. Doh. It’s been fixed..

[DAF86]

you're discounting his defense and rebounding as if they are bad which is not the case IMO. He is shooting 46% on 3's. he does a lot of drive and kick/finish, he can post up. you can run offense through him which is not what you can say about a lot of non-PG this year.

I get not liking him at the tippy top but to say he is not in the top 5 convo is goofy IMO.

Williams has 16 threes on 18 games. His 3pt % is irrelevant, tbh. Dude can't shoot, and his projection doesn't look promising.

[DAF86]

Swapping Topic for Sheppard in the top 5 which is just as likely, how do you select if the remaining board looks like this now:

Sheppard
Holland
Buzelis
Walter
Flipowski
Castle
Salaun

Also, you have #6 & #8, so someone else will pick #7 and likely take another big name off before you get to your second selection. Let's say Buzelis goes #7, or perhaps Walter? Still, something like Sheppard + Salaun would be a pretty nice haul for SA especially outside top 5 financial rookie scale.

Yes.

[spurraider21]

Here's a list of players with more than 30 games played who shoot under 35% from 3, in descending order from highest FT%. https://www.nba.com/stats/players/tr...=A&sort=FT_PCT

Every name on the list shoots better than 78% from the FT line.

that list includes dame, josh richardson, gallinari etc, who for their careers are outstanding 3pt shooters

also has a lot of guys with very few FT attempts. for example it includes knox hitting 90% of his FTs this year (on 22 attempts), but he is a career 70% FT shooter

[spurraider21]

I'm curious what Sheppard's vertical ends up being, if they measure it in the combine. Some of those blocks he seems to be getting up. Maybe upper 30s? If he does measure well with his jumping, I could see that making some teams a little more comfortable with him. He seems more like a Pop player, as in what Pop wants, but maybe not what he needs?

he probably has a good vert. i imgaine knecht will have a solid one as well. but vert is a very specific thing which can be worked on with things like squats, deadlift, and then just a lot of box jumping exercises, etc.

what both guys seem to lack somewhat, particularly knecht, is the short area lateraly quickness. sheppard looks shiftier with the ball than knecht does, which makes sense given that he's a smaller guy

[alfahdlan]

The list is still a lot longer than two players even if you filter out to equal or greater to 3 FTA/gm (which I would disagree with. We have enough of a sample size of Branham shooting FTs to know he is a good FT shooter, despite taking less than one FT/gm).

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/tr...=A&sort=FT_PCT

To put some perspective, I read somewhere that NBA 3P projection is a function of 3P attempts, 3P% and FT.
Say NBA3P Proj = 0.168 + 0.004(3Pattempts) + 0.209(3P%) + 0.112(FT) of player pre NBA draft. Thus, 3P% having much multiplier still plays big in such projection.

[The Truth #6]

In my mind I've gone back and forth considering these two (racially profiling them, admittedly), and Sheppard seems more talented but Knecht is taller. They're basically both shooting guards that may play in various positions. Shep 1 - 2. Knecht maybe 1-3, as he was a point guard for much of his career, so I can't rule it out completely.

Anyway. Interesting to think about. More so if I was in the Jazz FO.

[DAF86]

Draft shooting, tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

got hipsters that want Topic
want Victor to get triple teamed
Jeremy Sochan and Nikola Topic providing spacing
Topic defensively

[onechance87]

Draft shooting, tbh.

i mean looking at wright history of drafting,Im not sure he will.

[John B]

How about Filipowski for TOR pick or trade down for him. I feel Wemby needs somebody like a Cody Zeller especially on a night like tonight. I think they take Risacher for own pick, and sign/trade for a veteran PG. I’m not sold on Spurs current bigs except for Wemby.

[onechance87]

How about Filipowski for TOR pick or trade down for him. I feel Wemby needs somebody like a Cody Zeller especially on a night like tonight. I think they take Risacher for own pick, and sign/trade for a veteran PG. I’m not sold on Spurs current bigs except for Wemby.

Major change gotta happen,Cause this roster aint it.

[Mr. Body]

How about Filipowski for TOR pick or trade down for him. I feel Wemby needs somebody like a Cody Zeller especially on a night like tonight. I think they take Risacher for own pick, and sign/trade for a veteran PG. I’m not sold on Spurs current bigs except for Wemby.

I pitched Filipowski a while back. I said he can play the short-roll, high-post facilitator role that Jakob did, maybe even better. Not the same shotblocker, and his shot is not steady, but it's a threat. He's up and down as a rebounder, but he does get them.

More important, he's beefy. I've always said Collins is more like a PF in size. Sengun is shifty as and can be really hard to handle. When the refs are buying his flopping bull , it's even harder.

[Mr. Body]

Major change gotta happen,Cause this roster aint it.

I like how the tag under your name says 'Believe.' yet you're always ting your drawers.

[onechance87]

I like how the tag under your name says 'Believe.' yet you're always ting your drawers.

i believe this roster aint it.That stats show that.The team record shows that.And my eyeballs shows that.

[Mr. Body]

i believe this roster aint it.That stats show that.The team record shows that.And my eyeballs shows that.

Who on the friggen planet says this roster is it.

[objective]

I pitched Filipowski a while back. I said he can play the short-roll, high-post facilitator role that Jakob did, maybe even better. Not the same shotblocker, and his shot is not steady, but it's a threat. He's up and down as a rebounder, but he does get them.

More important, he's beefy. I've always said Collins is more like a PF in size. Sengun is shifty as and can be really hard to handle. When the refs are buying his flopping bull , it's even harder.

I've not watched him, but I think you're saying you can't count on his shooting or rebounding or shot blocking

Not a compelling sell job lol

[onechance87]

Who on the friggen planet says this roster is it.

Our gm says.He drafted and signed these players.Now hopefully they make some changes after this pathetic year his
team had.Cause this squad aint it clown.

[Ariel]

I pitched Filipowski a while back. I said he can play the short-roll, high-post facilitator role that Jakob did, maybe even better. Not the same shotblocker, and his shot is not steady, but it's a threat. He's up and down as a rebounder, but he does get them.

More important, he's beefy. I've always said Collins is more like a PF in size. Sengun is shifty as and can be really hard to handle. When the refs are buying his flopping bull , it's even harder.

Picking up a guy at 7/8/9 because he's beefy isn't really a strong sell. I'll be pretty disappointed if he's our pick at that range, I'm hopeful at least one of Dillingham, Topic or even Sheppard will be there. I think Buzelis goes before that, if not he's definitely in consideration for me (even with our own pick).

[BackHome]

How about Filipowski for TOR pick or trade down for him. I feel Wemby needs somebody like a Cody Zeller especially on a night like tonight. I think they take Risacher for own pick, and sign/trade for a veteran PG. I’m not sold on Spurs current bigs except for Wemby.

Do you think Filipowski can get a lot of minutes at PF or do you think he is just a back up to Wemby at Center? Or a little bit of both?

[Mr. Body]

Picking up a guy at 7/8/9 because he's beefy isn't really a strong sell. I'll be pretty disappointed if he's our pick at that range, I'm hopeful at least one of Dillingham, Topic or even Sheppard will be there. I think Buzelis goes before that, if not he's definitely in consideration for me (even with our own pick).

He's not just beefy though. He has good size. I have watched him but haven't followed why his rebounding stats aren't consistent, but it's college and there's a lot of variance in the games. As for shooting, he's greatly improved over last year and I don't see why he can't get better.

Checking his stats, his advanced defensive metrics are really solid, actually better than Poeltl when he came out of college.


I try to be honest in what I see. I think he's a smart player who plays with contact and a chippiness. He has that Boston thing about him.

I would personally take him over a project like Salaun if that's the choice to make. The team needs floor raisers.

That said, I don't think we need to draft a big in the lottery.

[Ariel]

Walter seems destined to be a Rocket, IMO.

The pick going to Houston from Brooklyn is unprotected, so (unlike Toronto's) it could very well end up top 4. They're overflowing with wings and atheltes but are lacking in the IQ department (Jalen Green, Whitmore, Eason, Brooks) I think they could really use a cerebral player like Sheppard, who is also a great passer and shooter, he'd help complement their young core of knuckleheads quite well IMO.

[Mr. Body]

The pick going to Houston from Brooklyn is unprotected, so (unlike Toronto's) it could very well end up top 4. They're overflowing with wings and atheltes but are lacking in the IQ department (Jalen Green, Whitmore, Eason, Brooks) I think they could really use a cerebral player like Sheppard, who is also a great passer and shooter, he'd help complement their young core of knuckleheads quite well IMO.

Sheppard would be perfect for them.

Walter is a bit of a project and you'd have to move Green, which I think they should do anyway.