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    Zelensky says it's the total liberation of all occupied territories. But that has to be combined with a disarming of Russia because otherwise the war goes on indefinitely. If you got a change of political leadership in Russia that is much much more conciliatory then maybe disarming wouldn't also be necessary. I'm not counting on that though.
    Well then there is no middle ground because Putin will not stop until he feels he is defeated military or dead.

    So you can quit bring up the middle ground.
    In the S. Korean example China WANTED to negotiate.
    Its totally different situation.

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    He's been neutered. He now tries to join the conversation like somebody but he's not getting much play.
    & peeg cites me. Sure you have peek closely with a magnifying glass to glean his notations, but they're there.

    He, like you, Lue, can't let go. Ever. It's my religion.

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    He's been neutered. He now tries to join the conversation like somebody but he's not getting much play.
    I can’t confirm that unless someone quotes him.
    So, I see a Russian flag.

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    Well then there is no middle ground because Putin will not stop until he feels he is defeated military or dead.

    So you can quit bring up the middle ground.
    In the S. Korean example China WANTED to negotiate.
    Its totally different situation.
    There it is, that's the one the Magic Negro and Biden/Blinken have notched. That's doable. There is nothing else.

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    I can’t confirm that unless someone quotes him.
    So, I see a Russian flag.
    Lue, peeg? I can see you talking me about me.

    lmvictoriousao!!!

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    Well then there is no middle ground because Putin will not stop until he feels he is defeated military or dead.

    So you can quit bring up the middle ground.
    In the S. Korean example China WANTED to negotiate.
    Its totally different situation.
    Russia WANTS to negotiate. You're being totally duped if you think they want endless war. They're not sizing up NATO for WWIII.

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    Russia WANTS to negotiate. You're being totally duped if you think they want to endless war. They're not sizing up NATO for WWIII.
    Thats total bull . This not a WW3 immediately thing? Have you not kept up with Georgia, et al. Do you remember how Russia completed their Black Sea exploits and what they took? It did not lead to WW3. Putin made a horrible miscalculation, and he will not back down.

    They are already sizing up Moldova!
    Read about Moldova and Transnistria

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/03/21...sia-war-odesa/

    Tell the board what it would take for Putin to negotiate NOW?
    What are his terms and how are the terms assured?
    This is the kind of hopeful weakness Putin thrives on.

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    Russia WANTS to negotiate. You're being totally duped if you think they want endless war. They're not sizing up NATO for WWIII.
    What is telling you that, 7? Seriously.

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    Russia WANTS to negotiate. You're being totally duped if you think they want endless war. They're not sizing up NATO for WWIII.
    You, sir, are a sucker. And deliberately so.

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    You, sir, are a sucker. And deliberately so.
    Why do you say deliberately?

    Im not saying you are wrong just curious?

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    Thats total bull . This not a WW3 immediately thing? Have you not kept up with Georgia, et al. Do you remember how Russia completed their Black Sea exploits and what they took? It did not lead to WW3. Putin made a horrible miscalculation, and he will not back down.

    They are already sizing up Moldova!
    Read about Moldova and Transnistria

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/03/21...sia-war-odesa/

    Tell the board what it would take for Putin to negotiate NOW?
    What are his terms and how are the terms assured?
    This is the kind of hopeful weakness Putin thrives on.
    I think Putin is ready to negotiate now. The best that could realistically be achieved is probably a lasting ceasefire that locks in de facto territorial gains for Russia.

    Ukraine doesn't appear to want that or any compromise as long as we're willing to pay for endless war that we can't afford.

    Moldova, Georiga -- these are important considerations in a larger context. Ukraine doesn't solve them though.

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    Like Z vowed over a year ago:::Every single inch (20%) of Ukrainian land occupied by Russia must be vacated, or nary peace, peeg.

    That's it & that's all.
    Now there's like 10 million mines in Ukraine. It's not a realistic task with the manpower Ukraine has.

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    Now there's like 10 million mines in Ukraine. It's not a realistic task with the manpower Ukraine has.
    Leave it to you, 7, to be practical about war.

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    I think Putin is ready to negotiate now. The best that could realistically be achieved is probably a lasting ceasefire that locks in de facto territorial gains for Russia.

    Ukraine doesn't appear to want that or any compromise as long as we're willing to pay for endless war that we can't afford.

    Moldova, Georiga -- these are important considerations in a larger context. Ukraine doesn't solve them though.
    That's the chuckhole in the road. From Rocky,,,"What is keeping him up, Bill?"

    Bill: "I don't know."

    I do; the U.S. and those billions of dollars bank drafts.

    & it's 50/50, perhaps even 60/40 that Johnson gives in with this one presently on hold.

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    Why do you say deliberately?

    Im not saying you are wrong just curious?
    What happens when you negotiate with Putin?


    Is this a serious question?

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    I think Putin is ready to negotiate now.


    Love how you said “now”!

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    What happens when you negotiate with Putin?


    Is this a serious question?
    There's no perfect solution, sweetheart. The armistice in Korea isn't perfect either -- it's violated all the time but it keeps the peace.

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    There's no perfect solution, sweetheart. The armistice in Korea isn't perfect either -- it's violated all the time but it keeps the peace.
    Completely full of guy calls me sweetheart. I like how you think you know what Putin wants.

    It’s cute

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    Completely full of guy calls me sweetheart. I like how you think you know what Putin wants.

    It’s cute
    Okay, sweetheart; what does he want?

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    I think Putin is ready to negotiate now. The best that could realistically be achieved is probably a lasting ceasefire that locks in de facto territorial gains for Russia.

    Ukraine doesn't appear to want that or any compromise as long as we're willing to pay for endless war that we can't afford.

    Moldova, Georiga -- these are important considerations in a larger context. Ukraine doesn't solve them though.
    Good Lord:

    1. Putin puts hardware on border with Ukraine
    2. Putin claims there will be NO INVASION
    3. Trumpers laugh at Biden and Democrats for being worried
    4. Putin invades.

    Do you know how many times Putin has given assurances of what he will NOT DO? And then does it?
    You seriously need to go back and read about all the countries now under Russian control that Putin said he had no military in.
    At this point I can only confirm you are willfully ignorant.

    “There are no Russian troops in Crimea!” And they are teaming in every section of major airports fully armed.? You need even more?
    Do you know How many examples you are purposely ignoring?

    I hope you are not this purposefully hopeful about Trump as president as well.

    So you say Putin is ready to negotiate now.
    What does he want and how will he assure the world (after all of these lies) ?

    This war will not end till Ukraine is taken, or Russia is ready to collapse either from external and or internal factors.
    Those are the only possibilities I see. Russia will negotiate nothing. 20% is total bull . If he can get the 20% and hold it, Putin can get more. Russia is on the front foot.

    If you really want peace, convince this board why Ukraine deserves to exist. Because Putin does NOT, and he has said so.

    Why does Ukraine need to exist? I’ll wait till morrow for the answer.

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    What happens when you negotiate with Putin?


    Is this a serious question?
    It’s a serious question about DMX. I know Putin. I have stated what I think.
    Im asking for what purpose would DMX be this dull. For example we know Hater admires dictators. Tired tread as well.

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    Good Lord:

    1. Putin puts hardware on border with Ukraine
    2. Putin claims there will be NO INVASION
    3. Trumpers laugh at Biden and Democrats for being worried
    4. Putin invades.

    Do you know how many times Putin has given assurances of what he will NOT DO? And then does it?
    You seriously need to go back and read about all the countries now under Russian control that Putin said he had no military in.
    At this point I can only confirm you are willfully ignorant.

    “There are no Russian troops in Crimea!” And they are teaming in every section of major airports fully armed.? You need even more?
    Do you know How many examples you are purposely ignoring?

    I hope you are not this purposefully hopeful about Trump as president as well.

    So you say Putin is ready to negotiate now.
    What does he want and how will he assure the world (after all of these lies) ?

    This war will not end till Ukraine is taken, or Russia is ready to collapse either from external and or internal factors.
    Those are the only possibilities I see. Russia will negotiate nothing. 20% is total bull . If he can get the 20% and hold it, Putin can get more. Russia is on the front foot.

    If you really want peace, convince this board why Ukraine deserves to exist. Because Putin does NOT, and he has said so.

    Why does Ukraine need to exist? I’ll wait till morrow for the answer.
    Sounds like you believe the "total victory or total collapse" bull narrative which means we will not agree. Also sounds like you think we can afford endless war with $34 trillion in debt. It's baffles me because I don't see a path to total victory for Ukraine. In fact, the NATO Secretary General has said all along that the whole point of the aid to Ukraine is to give them a strong hand at the negotiating table.... meaning to negotiate with Russia.

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    It’s a serious question about DMX. I know Putin. I have stated what I think.
    Im asking for what purpose would DMX be this dull. For example we know Hater admires dictators. Tired tread as well.
    Putin is much a dictator as Biden. Not a dime's worth of difference regardless of how we strain to sell our Democracy as something to admire.

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    It’s a serious question about DMX. I know Putin. I have stated what I think.
    Im asking for what purpose would DMX be this dull. For example we know Hater admires dictators. Tired tread as well.
    This person is subtle bull , much like horse frosty. The rest are Jonestown fossils.

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    Sounds like you believe the "total victory or total collapse" bull narrative which means we will not agree. Also sounds like you think we can afford endless war with $34 trillion in debt. It's baffles me because I don't see a path to total victory for Ukraine. In fact, the NATO Secretary General has said all along that the whole point of the aid to Ukraine is give them a strong hand at the negotiating table.... meaning to negotiate with Russia.
    “You don’t see” lol

    You said it!

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