Zaccharie Risacher - 2024 NBA Draft Prospect

[spurraider21]

And Holland has already shown much more there IMO, similar to a Sochan.

oh, yeah. i like holland quite a bit and there are definitely thins he's much better at than risacher

[poopbox]

Tbh, we didn't have to really care about drafts for 20 years.
It's actually fun when you watch random players that are projected to go in 20-40 range, trying to find someone who could be a steal.
If you miss, not a big deal.

But when it's about franchise altering lottery picks, frustration and pressure build up because every bust sets you back.
Hopefully 2025 will be the last draft we'll care about for the foreseeable future.

And idk why are we even talking about Risacher, I'd say that chances of him being available at #4 are less than 10%.

Meh. If he doesn't go 2 to the Wizards then I think he will be there at 4, as I don't see the rockets drafting another wing hybrid power forward player, they already got to many. If the Rockets did take him at 3 that would mean they are out on either Whitmore or Jabari, in which I would instantly be on the phone with Houston trying to get Whitmore or Jabari.

[exstatic]

Meh. If he doesn't go 2 to the Wizards then I think he will be there at 4, as I don't see the rockets drafting another wing hybrid power forward player, they already got to many. If the Rockets did take him at 3 that would mean they are out on either Whitmore or Jabari, in which I would instantly be on the phone with Houston trying to get Whitmore or Jabari.

Don’t want anything to do with Whitmore, but I’d be on the phone offering the CHI pick, the CHA non pick, and the 27 ATL pick for Smith. He’d be ing perfect here.

[TD 21]

I disagree that it’s so black and white. It’s not just as simple as only those two skills and likelihood of each getting them. Theres a lot more to their games and what they do well/dont do etc….yes of course those two are big things, but that’s not only path for Holland to be a star. DeRozan has no 3 ball and is a star.

Imagine like a Josh Howard/DeRozan type from Holland with actual defense and very good secondary playmaking (like DeRozan)

DeRozan isnt a bit player….theres still mid-range guys and Holland is a pretty damn interesting finisher at the rim too alongside some solid secondary playmaking (hes not CP, but in a spurs system where its moving and his not a primary guy but using his tools as an advantage to move off of Wemby and ball movement?)

You mean the guy who shady Ujiri was shopping for 1-2 years before he found a sucker because he couldn't get value for? The same guy who's teams are almost always better (save 1-2 seasons and even then, it was barely), often significantly so, with him off the floor?

He, like others over time, made it (All-Star, All-NBA) due to cir stances benefitting him more than impact befitting of. His old school persona appealed to coaches and his counting stats and their being mediocre enough in a weak conference paved the way.

DeRozan, with his limitations that make it so he has to have the offense built around him, is a relic who got lucky that Westbrook got traded to the Lakers and the Bulls jumped in at the last moment and gave him star type money/role otherwise he'd have been relegated 6th man status for the mini MLE on one of the L.A. teams.

That said, any p-n-r ball handler needs to be able to score from all three levels to punish various coverages.

Holland isn't going to have that role and teams (not named Spurs) don't want non rim running role players who can't space the floor, so if he can't eventually do so he'll be a bit player.

[exstatic]

Agreed.
I'd avoid Holland unless Sochan gets traded. (won't happen)
Two of them wouldn't be able to co-exist.

As time goes on and I watch/read more stuff about these prospects, I honestly don't want any of these forwards if Risacher isn't there at #4.
Either get Castle who looks like he's got everything except shooting on the right track or get Dillingham and hope for the best with his scoring potential.
These forwards with so many fundamental flaws just won't work out. We got enough of them on the roster already.

I’m actually warming to the 2 guards draft myself, as long as they’re not both small.

[SpursBills]

wrong thread

[mo7888]

I’m actually warming to the 2 guards draft myself, as long as they’re not both small.

Castle + Sheppard is a best case scenario for a 2 guard draft, probably followed by Castle + Dilly

[CGD]

Castle + Sheppard is a best case scenario for a 2 guard draft, probably followed by Castle + Dilly

I concur. Assuming they don’t trade away 8, I wonder if their preferred combos ranked in order is:

Castle + Sheppard
Castle + Topic
Castle + Salaun
Castle + Dillingham

[Kurgan]

Castle + Sheppard is impossible. If you take one at 4, the other will be gone before 8.

[mo7888]

I concur. Assuming they don’t trade away 8, I wonder if their preferred combos ranked in order is:

Castle + Sheppard
Castle + Topic
Castle + Salaun
Castle + Dillingham

Could be. I'd be hesitant on the Castle + Topic pairing simply because you've got two guys who have to improve from the outside. Full disclosure- I think both guys will, but I'm not sure they should gamble on that.

[Uriel]

I concur. Assuming they don’t trade away 8, I wonder if their preferred combos ranked in order is:

Castle + Sheppard
Castle + Topic
Castle + Salaun
Castle + Dillingham

Notice the order in which those names are mentioned. I think that’s the Spurs’ internal ranking of them as well.

Assuming Castle is the pick at 4, the Spurs’ big board for #8 is most likely:

1. Rob Dillingham
2. Tidjane Salaun
3. Nikola Topic
4. Cody Williams
5. Dalton Knecht

That means Brian Wright’s dream draft is Castle at 4 and Dillingham at 8, which incidentally, is also the outcome of timvp’s mock draft.

[DPG21920]

DeRozan, with his limitations that make it so he has to have the offense built around him, is a relic who got lucky that Westbrook got traded to the Lakers and the Bulls jumped in at the last moment and gave him star type money/role otherwise he'd have been relegated 6th man status for the mini MLE on one of the L.A. teams.

That said, any p-n-r ball handler needs to be able to score from all three levels to punish various coverages.

Holland isn't going to have that role and teams (not named Spurs) don't want non rim running role players who can't space the floor, so if he can't eventually do so he'll be a bit player.

I think it will be opposite - holland won’t be drafted as a player to build offense around. His offense will be bonus and will replace Keldon essentially as a nice size wing but that comes with defensive potential and secondary passing skills.

[Mr. Body]

Castle + Sheppard is impossible. If you take one at 4, the other will be gone before 8.

I don't think Detroit or Portland takes Castle. A team might trade up to get him, though.

[DPG21920]

Castle + Sheppard is impossible. If you take one at 4, the other will be gone before 8.

Maybe true you never know. But if draft falls their way I wouldn’t mind spurs trading up for 5 or 6 using 8 + CHA or something like that to get their guy.

[DPG21920]

I don't think Detroit or Portland takes Castle. A team might trade up to get him, though.

Still wonder if my trade I came up with for DET would work:

Keldon + 8 for Ivey + 5

[CGD]

Could be. I'd be hesitant on the Castle + Topic pairing simply because you've got two guys who have to improve from the outside. Full disclosure- I think both guys will, but I'm not sure they should gamble on that.

100% — I simply think the Spurs won’t be able to help themselves if Topic is there at 8.

[mo7888]

Still wonder if my trade I came up with for DET would work:

Keldon + 8 for Ivey + 5

I think Detroit would consider that strongly. I'd be interested in how adding Ivey would impact our draft plans.

[CGD]

I didn’t read too much into the order Timvp listed those guys, but maybe I missed the nuance. My personal feeling aside, I still have a hard time seeing the Spurs taking Dillingham with either pick.

[exstatic]

Could be. I'd be hesitant on the Castle + Topic pairing simply because you've got two guys who have to improve from the outside. Full disclosure- I think both guys will, but I'm not sure they should gamble on that.

With the free pick, you could gamble that one of them does. If they both eventually shoot well, it’s a huge bonus.

I’m not sure you should expect both players in any drafted pairing to hit this year.

[CGD]

Still wonder if my trade I came up with for DET would work:

Keldon + 8 for Ivey + 5

I like it personally, though, I wonder if it’d take 4 instead of 8? I would still do it since I don’t see them taking Castle if they move up.

[CGD]

I think Detroit would consider that strongly. I'd be interested in how adding Ivey would impact our draft plans.

I think they still take Castle with 5

[mo7888]

I think they still take Castle with 5

Who would they take at 4 then? Castle, Ivey, and who? Buzelis to replace Keldon? Knecht for the same reason?

[DPG21920]

I think Detroit would consider that strongly. I'd be interested in how adding Ivey would impact our draft plans.

I would love to see SA do that, take Reed at 4, have Ivey instead of Castle and use 5 on Holland now or their favorite wing left (Buzelis) or even take Dillingham


Replace Graham, Branham and Blake with Ivey, Reed and Keldon with Holland/Buzelis

[DPG21920]

I like it personally, though, I wonder if it’d take 4 instead of 8? I would still do it since I don’t see them taking Castle if they move up.

I’d prob still do it but Keldon is better than Ivey so det should pay us (we move up 3 spots imo). I’d rather toss det some extra 2nds (2-3) and keep 4 tho

[SpursBills]

I must be one of the few people on this board who really really doesn't like Jaden Ivey