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In this strange draft, I'm starting to think there will be a number of surprises in the draft - meaning that players won't be going where we think they will go. This draft is just that wonky.
You serious, you’ve seen Wemby play haven’t you?
”you scared, you scared…”
Wemby is a pimp nobody I see coming in this league any time soon can guard him. He will rain 3s on a perimeter oriented center like Clingan and run him off the court in transition.
Now, getting assets and a later pick, that does have intrigue. Any pick exactly high enough to get Edey would be the goal there.
In this strange draft, I'm starting to think there will be a number of surprises in the draft - meaning that players won't be going where we think they will go. This draft is just that wonky.
Which is why they should be exploring something along the lines of Graham, 4, 8 and the Hawks '26 and '27 1sts for Murray and 1 to select Risacher.
Fill the two biggest needs, have a roster that fits much better, hopefully play meaningful games deep into the regular season and still have plenty of draft capital left over.
You mean rip up the 26 swap or give Atlanta the right to swap in 26?
I agree to a large extent, but there is more than one way to skin a cat. The Spurs can put together a great defensive squad that lacks offensive firepower and have that be a very good second season in the rebuilding process. I don't think the Spurs should get Clingan to avoid another team getting "a Wemby stopper", but I am on record for thinking getting an elite backup center would be a good investment. The most important thing the concept of "a Wemby stopper" gives to the Spurs is that opposing teams may draft Cllngan and maybe Edey higher than expected, shifting the board in the Spurs' favor.
I'm down with getting Holland, Castle, Buzelis or Carter with their potential as a man-defender being in the forefront of their appeal. Simply being a good man defender combined with being a horrible shooter is unacceptable. The modern NBA just doesn't allow such a player to be a positive. But being unable to blunt good offensive players is why the team has been even more inept than the sum of their talent recently. They don't need to prioritize a theoretical WCF match-up, but they should be able to avoid giving scrubs career nights game in and game out.
I hadn't thought about this specific machination of an ATL trade before, but I would think this framework would be very interesting from ATL's POV while leaving the Spurs with the 2025 upside we very likely value and want to preserve.
Even though the Hawks would out of luck for 2025, they'd still be able to immediately enter a multi-year rebuild if they could find an different taker for Trae (and maybe get some different 2025 draft capital, in addition to later years). Yeah, they won't have the upside of their own pick in 2025... but it's a one-year scenario and they can still begin their own "process". Maybe with 4+8 they take Clingan and Topic, move Trae elsewhere and really rebuild that team from scratch. It's an interesting proposition.
I don't particularly care for Risacher in this draft, but he would fill the SF role nicely and be a 4th option behind Wemby, DJ and Devin. I don't love the idea of using the #1 pick on your 4th option 3&D SF, but that's kind of the cards this draft has dealt... so it has some intrigue.
For me personally, I think I'd rather just roll the dice that Risacher will be there at 4 if he's really who the Spurs want... but this is interesting. I'm also of the mind that we need a bigger shake-up than just filling holes at PG and SF... that's why I proposed the idea of Devin straight up for Garland while making a move for Lauri in the Ideal Off-Season thread. I kind of feel like we are focused to much on polishing a turd when we need to be thinking of completely overhauling everything around Wemby.
I'm of similar mind. I think getting a good defensive prospect is just good strategy, but not because we need a "Luka stopper" - we just need to play better defense. Likewise, we should consider good C prospects because it is sound practice to have a good backup for Wemby, but not because we are playing 4D chess and preventing another team from getting a Wemby stopped (nevermind that I don't think Clingan, or Edey, or Sarr will be Wemby stoppers. The most effective "Wemby stopper" we saw this year was Dillon Brooks, not a big body C).
ATL won’t go for that but throwing in Keldon Johnson and or Zack Collins could generate more interest. Adding Sarr and Murray at the cost of the 4 and the 8 sounds way too good to be true. Yes you throw in the 27 pick but that’s a bit down the road and the 26 pick is a coin flip though we’d like think they still crash and burn while we go the opposite direction.
To get the #1 and Murray, I don’t see a scenario ATL agrees to that doesn’t involve getting their 25 pick back, seems like wishful thinking. For all the world it seem like the teams SHOULD be able to find a deal but not sure I see any happening.
I’ll add that any deal to add Sarr could also consider including Sochan, but Sochan would still retain situational value with his ability to cover SFs and larger guards.
Dilli or Castle at 4. Who cares who we take at 8. I halfway want them to take Topic just to see the board melt down.
What's the difference?
I'd rather have Vassell than Garland and adding two defensive liabilities to the core, while expending most-all of the "good" draft capital doesn't make sense.
Overhauls generally happen incrementally and here they happen glacially.
Maybe not. I'd be amendable to including Johnson, but I'd want something back at that point, even if it's just a flyer on Griffin. Collins has negative value and they have Capela (for now), Okongwu and would select Clingan in this scenario.
'25 instead of either '26 or '27 would be an interesting debate. If the Spurs get the sense that the Hawks intend to remain pseudo compe ive (I realize they just jumped from 10 to 1, but what are the odds it happens again?), I'd probably relent.
If it were anybody but the Spurs in this position, I'd feel much more confident in some sort of trade between the two teams.
The difference is each team keeping it's own pick versus ATL getting the better of the two picks. Doesn't matter if you assume the Spurs will be the better team, but you never know.
In my proposal I actually expended slightly less Draft Capital than you are here, and I got one extra pick this year in addition to Garland and Lauri instead of just DJM.I'd rather have Vassell than Garland and adding two defensive liabilities to the core, while expending most-all of the "good" draft capital doesn't make sense.
Whether CLE would view Garland for Vassell straight up as fair value is debatable, but I think they should. Also don't get how you view Lauri as a defensive liability. He's largely viewed as an average defender, and I think that is about right.
Yeah, I don't know why I didn't comprehend that, but obviously it'd be the Hawks getting the better of the two picks. Boiled down: They add 3 1sts, including the guy (Clingan) they're not necessarily targeting, but seemingly would at least be comfortable with + significant financial relief.
It's fair value, I just don't see a big enough gap offensively to where I'd just rather have the less expensive, bigger player, who at least won't be targeted defensively.
Liability might have overstated it, but Markkanen is a minus defender. He's not a rim protector/defensive rebounder and while not immobile, he's still someone who'll be targeted in a playoff setting.
Reed turning 20 before September means he’s a year behind his classmates. Maybe an advantage in his play ala Shabaz Muhammad minus the fake age.
Sub 6’4 white guards. Not much of a track record the last 30 years since DRob’s MVP year.
Jeff Horncek, Steve Nash, Kirk Henrich, Dragic are the best of the lot in that span. Only two made any all NBA team.
Interesting pick but odds are stacked against anything more than All-Star reserve status.
Glad to see some of y’all coming around to the reality that Clingan may be the BPA at 4.
Sheppard at 4 would be awesome and Risacher would be an absolute coup!
My big board remains:
1. Risacher
2. Sheppard
3. Clingan
4. Sarr
I’d take whichever one of those is left at 4 over Castle or anyone else
nah.
its Castle.
oh yeah, that 26% 3p shot on Ignite is so attractive
Do you think the only way to score in isolation is a step back 3?
From what I've seen from Buzelis, the self creation wasn't there. Didn't have the ball skills/first step to beat guys his size and doesn't yet have the strength to make guys smaller than him pay. If the outside shot never develops, I just don't see the self creation upside tbh.
To that, I think Saluan has better potential as an outside shooter. He improved throughout the season (40% over his last 100 attempts). I'll give you that Buzelis is on a different stratosphere as a defender than Saluan.
With Buzelis being almost a year older, I'd rather just take the home run swing at #8 with Saluan than just draft white Sochan tbh.
i dno, i thought buzelis was able to beat guys his size with the dribble. imo it was kind of just a better version of what sochan does. sochan resorts to basically a bunch of slow "spins" (really just putting his back to the basket to protect the ball since his handle isnt great) and then burps up a turnaround shot. i thought buzelis was much better at driving without having to turn his back to the basket and had a wider array of moves and finishing with pull up jumpers, footwork, an actual layup package, etc.
like i said, im not crazy high on buzelis. i have him in tier 3
from a spurs-centric perspective, here's probably how i do it
Tier 1 - I would be happy if we selected him at #4 overall
Risacher
Sheppard
Dillingham
Tier 2 - I would be content with selecting him at #4, but would be happy getting him at #8
Sarr
Holland
Castle* (not point guard)
Tier 3 - I would be content with selecting him at #8
Buzelis
Cody Williams
Clingan
Tier 4 - I could live with selecting him at #8
Knecht
Topic
Collier
Carter
anybody else (read: Salaun) would be
sarr is a weird one because the fit isnt obvious but at some point you bet on the player talent and figure it out later. its also why i have clingan in tier 3
My top 3 for Spurs 1st pick:
* Castle
* Sheppard
* Holland
Eighth pick:
* Carter
* Knecht
* Da Silva
My top 3 are
4th Pick
Castle
Reed
Sarr
8th Pick
Buzelis
Coby
Dillingham
all of that for Murray? no
Pick 4:
Risacher
Sheppard
Castle
Sarr
Pick 8:
Carter
Holland
Dillingham
Salaun
Almost same
Zach
Sarr
Castle
Shep
Carter
Sal
Dilli
Holland
Will
Ohh I like this, this is wot I was thinking to. I’m doing it Brian……
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