Ron Holland - 2024 NBA Draft Prospect

[Splits]

I'd take him at 35, otherwise no. Do we want to repeat last season being one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the league? Jfc

[jesterbobman]

The whole of the Ignite season was a disaster.

With Ron, I think the upside is that he started awful, being given entirely too much on ball responsibility for a guy who played PF in High school and needed to transition to a wing style role in the NBA. He still ended up with a negative A:TO ratio, but it was basically neutral over the last few weeks before he injured himself, and he racked up insane steal numbers. Signs of actual growth over the course of a few months.

I think he wouldn't fit in the starting lineup alongside Sochan as the wing shooting would be so negative, but the defense (including event generation) is a real positive. I'd be fine at 8 given the upside (potential role as a good defender who can be a star slasher (like a Maggette on offense alongside the Roberson defence).

[Mr. Peabody]

He’s more aggressive than Walker and is a much better defender than Walker ever was.

[R. DeMurre]

Dalton Knecht outperformed Holland in every single test at the draft combine-- lane agility, shuttle run, 3/4 sprint, standing vertical, and max vertical leap-- but somehow Holland still retains the label of "uber athlete" while almost nobody uses that terminology for Knecht or others who've so far shown to have far greater actual basketball skills.


https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility?dir=A&sort=LANE_AGILITY_TIME

[objective]

The critiques on Holland regarding turnovers is very strange to me.

A 0.90 a/t ratio with a monster usage against pros as an 18 year old and #1 option .... Is pretty damn good

Buzelis has a near identical a/t ratio of 0.89 on about 3/4 the usage getting to play a secondary role and it's Holland that catches the heat

Holland is a risk with that poor shooting, no doubt. But he's created events on defense while having to carry the burden of #1 option. He was able to drive and get to the rim in a halfcourt setting. IF he ever learns to shoot, he's going to have a great career because he's shown so much as an 18 year old already with defense, driving and getting downhill, some playmaking. If he doesn't shoot he's bouncing around the fringes like a bigger Okogie.

[AFBlue]

Dalton Knecht outperformed Holland in every single test at the draft combine-- lane agility, shuttle run, 3/4 sprint, standing vertical, and max vertical leap-- but somehow Holland still retains the label of "uber athlete" while almost nobody uses that terminology for Knecht or others who've so far shown to have far greater actual basketball skills.


https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility?dir=A&sort=LANE_AGILITY_TIME

They're not talked about in the same way because of how they use their athleticism. It's easier to see Holland's athleticism on the court because of how he pressures the rim on offense and disrupts his opponent on D.

[Pauleta14]

Dalton Knecht outperformed Holland in every single test at the draft combine-- lane agility, shuttle run, 3/4 sprint, standing vertical, and max vertical leap-- but somehow Holland still retains the label of "uber athlete" while almost nobody uses that terminology for Knecht or others who've so far shown to have far greater actual basketball skills.


https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility?dir=A&sort=LANE_AGILITY_TIME

To be fair/add context Knetch is 4 years older than Holland, who might not even have finished growing.

[The Truth #6]

Holland is definitely the upside swing at 8. I'm not 100% I want to swing for the fences as Carter and Knecht are appealing, but Holland has creation event stats, or whatever the term is, that actually in some analytics has him highly regarded. John Holli her has him #1. Of course that could be an indictment on Hollinger, but it's another factor to consider. Like Buzelis and Collier, he was once a #1 pick candidate, and so he shouldn't be dismissed. He seems to be the hardest worker in the draft or up there with Carter. That counts for something. I agree he has dynamic functional athleticism.

TLDR: if we draft Risacher at 4 and get shooting, I would consider Holland at 8.

[Obstructed_View]

The hardest working players in the NBA are the best five guys and the worst five guys.

The NBA is full of massively talented players who could be great but their job is safe, they are rich and don't have to work super hard. The more I look at guys who rise up in their draft class, guys like SGA and Jimmy Butler and Kawhi and Anthony Edwards, the common thread becomes work ethic.

Luka Samanic was a home run swing because you hoped he would change his nature and become a gym rat instead of being lazy. His unwillingness to chase after a turnover made it pretty clear that was a bad call.

A guy who can stand out there and shoot threes without showing up early for practice is the high floor pick. It's safe, and the conventional wisdom says that's good for Victor.

A guy who plays as hard as he can during games but doesn't come to a new season with any improved skills is a crapshoot like Samanic. Again you draft the guy who already has the skill you want and hope it translates. Not really inspiring when you have two high lottery picks and a chance to build the core of your team to go with your multi generational player.

I guess I'm looking for the guy who is all about winning, who is in the gym in July. I don't see much mention of that in this year's scouting reports.

Anybody else see that mentioned for any of these guys?

[Mr. Body]

The hardest working players in the NBA are the best five guys and the worst five guys.

The NBA is full of massively talented players who could be great but their job is safe, they are rich and don't have to work super hard. The more I look at guys who rise up in their draft class, guys like SGA and Jimmy Butler and Kawhi and Anthony Edwards, the common thread becomes work ethic.

Luka Samanic was a home run swing because you hoped he would change his nature and become a gym rat instead of being lazy. His unwillingness to chase after a turnover made it pretty clear that was a bad call.

A guy who can stand out there and shoot threes without showing up early for practice is the high floor pick. It's safe, and the conventional wisdom says that's good for Victor.

A guy who plays as hard as he can during games but doesn't come to a new season with any improved skills is a crapshoot like Samanic. Again you draft the guy who already has the skill you want and hope it translates. Not really inspiring when you have two high lottery picks and a chance to build the core of your team to go with your multi generational player.

I guess I'm looking for the guy who is all about winning, who is in the gym in July. I don't see much mention of that in this year's scouting reports.

Anybody else see that mentioned for any of these guys?

A lot of these guys are hard workers, but it's Castle and Carter here. Carter's interview talking about how he learned to work off two feet was really impressive. Castle is known to be a hardass worker. It's a reason why I don't care much about the shooting concerns. He'll get it done.

[Obstructed_View]

A lot of these guys are hard workers, but it's Castle and Carter here. Carter's interview talking about how he learned to work off two feet was really impressive. Castle is known to be a hardass worker. It's a reason why I don't care much about the shooting concerns. He'll get it done.

I keep circling back to Castle for that reason as well. He checks a lot of boxes off the bat and looks committed to improving.

I was super high on Blake Wesley until he showed up in his second year not having improved in any way. He's just gonna improve with experience and maturity and make his money. That's fine for where he was drafted. I don't want more of that at 4 and 8. Damn sure not drafting for position there, and frankly I don't care about the current draft rankings. History shows they don't mean a lot.

[DPG21920]

Really fair and balanced write up on Holland with insights into his flaws, strengths & mentality from his high school coach:

[Obstructed_View]

Really fair and balanced write up on Holland with insights into his flaws, strengths & mentality from his high school coach:

He is what he is. Don't expect him to develop any new skills, just expect him to play hard.

[rjv]

good lord, the Ignite went 2-32?

[The Truth #6]

Really fair and balanced write up on Holland with insights into his flaws, strengths & mentality from his high school coach:

From the article:

"He didn’t always practice hard,” Peavy said. “But when the lights were on, when the moment came and it was time to go get it, forget it. You’re not gonna beat him for a loose ball.”

Yeah, that doesn't seem like what Pop will be down with. Lol.

[DPG21920]

From the article:

"He didn’t always practice hard,” Peavy said. “But when the lights were on, when the moment came and it was time to go get it, forget it. You’re not gonna beat him for a loose ball.”

Yeah, that doesn't seem like what Pop will be down with. Lol.

For sure - it was a pretty raw and open article which surprised me. I think that may be the *stuff* some people were alluding to with regard to “off court” stuff? But by all accounts, he seems to have grown from that and works really hard. But it was definitely an interesting article with very real insights.

[spurraider21]

I keep circling back to Castle for that reason as well. He checks a lot of boxes off the bat and looks committed to improving.

I was super high on Blake Wesley until he showed up in his second year not having improved in any way. He's just gonna improve with experience and maturity and make his money. That's fine for where he was drafted. I don't want more of that at 4 and 8. Damn sure not drafting for position there, and frankly I don't care about the current draft rankings. History shows they don't mean a lot.

woof, you lost mr. body there. as soon as you criticize wesley he will call you an idiot who doesnt know what he's looking at

[stnick2261]

good lord, the Ignite went 2-32?

They were tanking for the draft (they were a little misguided).

[objective]

[RobinsontoDuncan]

In what world does it make sense to draft Cody Williams 4OA as TIMVP suggested, but it's too risky to draft Ron Holland 40A? The logic there is more twisted than a Gordian Knot.

[exstatic]

Russillo had Veccine on his hour long podcast today, and they both have things they like about him, but described his deficits, too, on both sides of the ball, and they were similar both ways, and they asked a question: do you think it’s just slow processing? That would be a bust certainty for a player with few fundamentals.

[objective]

Here's someone who basically did the 'glass half full' positive case for Holland that I think covers things well

[BackHome]

For me it's Holland or Carter with the 8th pick

[objective]

Nate Duncan ranked Holland 3rd on his board and said he believed in Holland being able to shoot more than Castle

[scottspurs]

Does he also believe that Holland will develop Basketball IQ lol