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    Sarr has more physical tools to work with than Sochan so more upside. You think Sochan would be considered for the top pick in this draft?
    What does that have to do with what I said?

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    Sochan averaged all of 12/3ast/6reb on a whopping 43.8% FG percentage, 30% on 3s. Opponents actually shot higher on 2pters when he was on the floor (source). Their 3PT percentage did drop from 40 to 37 with him on, but it's not like that's all his doing considering he plays the 4.

    His assist rate is also definitely inflated by his time at PG, which was a massive failure as we all know, so one can assume he won't top that mark again next season.

    Nice try acting like last season didn't happen, but it did, and Sochan wasn't good. He's replaceable, including by one of our draft picks. Perhaps Sarr doesn't get the gig at the very beginning, only because it's Pop, not because Sochan is this irreplaceable starter.
    you should re-check your theories on a post all star basis.

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    Sarr has more physical tools to work with than Sochan so more upside. You think Sochan would be considered for the top pick in this draft?
    More or less spot on. Why gimp Sarr's development for ing Sochan? He's had his shot now, he's entering his 3rd year. He's young but he's also not projecting to be much better than he currently is. Sarr has the capability of being a 20 point scorer, and his release while far from flawless is waaaaay smoother than Sochan's. He's also much more naturally talented in terms of his height, shot blocking, and offensive game in general. He'll have more rough edges from inexperience and age than Sochan, sure. But acting like Sochan should just hold on to his spot when the potential for Sarr is at least at the moment, much higher would be more foolishness.

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    Sochan averaged all of 12/3ast/6reb on a whopping 43.8% FG percentage, 30% on 3s. Opponents actually shot higher on 2pters when he was on the floor (source). Their 3PT percentage did drop from 40 to 37 with him on, but it's not like that's all his doing considering he plays the 4.

    His assist rate is also definitely inflated by his time at PG, which was a massive failure as we all know, so one can assume he won't top that mark again next season.

    Nice try acting like last season didn't happen, but it did, and Sochan wasn't good. He's replaceable, including by one of our draft picks. Perhaps Sarr doesn't get the gig at the very beginning, only because it's Pop, not because Sochan is this irreplaceable starter.
    I don't know why reading comprehension here is so ing miserable:

    SARR DID NOT START ON A TEAM IN A POOR LEAGUE. HE PLAYED 18 MINUTES A GAME.

    YOU ARE COMPARING HIM TO A STARTER IN THE ING NBA.

    Sarr is not ready to start consistently on an NBA team right now. A major reason why he wants to go to Washington. Comparing players who have never played in the NBA to players who are establishing themselves is senseless, a complete and utter fallacy of logic. You are not comparing like to like.

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    I don't know why reading comprehension here is so ing miserable:

    SARR DID NOT START ON A TEAM IN A POOR LEAGUE. HE PLAYED 18 MINUTES A GAME.

    YOU ARE COMPARING HIM TO A STARTER IN THE ING NBA.

    Sarr is not ready to start consistently on an NBA team right now. A major reason why he wants to go to Washington. Comparing players who have never played in the NBA to players who are establishing themselves is senseless, a complete and utter fallacy of logic. You are not comparing like to like.
    acting like comparing potential #1 draft picks to NBA starters is lunacy
    more strawmen because I didn't even compare Sarr and Sochan directly in this post. I simply pointed out how mid (or worse) Sochan was.

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    you should re-check your theories on a post all star basis.
    So you don't have any comment about Sochan's last season, either. He was mid, bro. If that, on one of the worst teams in the league. Of course, I'd love Sochan to get better. Perhaps someone like Sarr competing with him for minutes would raise his game?

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    So you don't have any comment about Sochan's last season, either. He was mid, bro. If that, on one of the worst teams in the league. Of course, I'd love Sochan to get better. Perhaps someone like Sarr competing with him for minutes would raise his game?
    why would i comment on his season when we were hardly a team trying to win... it was development first, second and third.

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    People still slagging Sochan like he asked to play out of position.

    I look forward to this lunatic fanbase relentlessly slagging on whoever we draft this year. "Oh, ing Sarr, worst player ever why the akjkjhaglkdjagkjgejegjhopihgohp"

    Most of this fanbase is completely useless.

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    Sarr not on the Spurs: hits every three he's ever taken, makes immaculate rotations, a golden God who makes women weep

    Sarr on the Spurs: what the this guy sucks so much

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    People still slagging Sochan like he asked to play out of position.

    I look forward to this lunatic fanbase relentlessly slagging on whoever we draft this year. "Oh, ing Sarr, worst player ever why the akjkjhaglkdjagkjgejegjhopihgohp"

    Most of this fanbase is completely useless.
    What a crying got

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    why would i comment on his season when we were hardly a team trying to win... it was development first, second and third.
    Not according to Pop or the players.

    Sochan "developed" into a 12pt scorer in his 2nd season whose team's opponents scored 3% better when he was on the court. You have no comment on this and how it affects drafting a possible 4 with defensive upside in Sarr? Okay.

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    People still slagging Sochan like he asked to play out of position.

    I look forward to this lunatic fanbase relentlessly slagging on whoever we draft this year. "Oh, ing Sarr, worst player ever why the akjkjhaglkdjagkjgejegjhopihgohp"

    Most of this fanbase is completely useless.
    Lame excuse

    He played out of position a grand total of 18 games and had some of his worst play in the months after he moved back to PF.

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    Jabari Smith is a SF/PF. It’s even in his draft profile from only two years ago. Also Amen Thompson, unless they get a new PG, is rumored to play that role for the team to free up Jalen Green. Finding
    minutes or trading away assets because of it, is usually a good problem to have.


    No, Smith is a PF/small ball C. Forget the foolish listing (I don't know why this continues to happen in this sport).


    Not according to Pop or the players.

    Sochan "developed" into a 12pt scorer in his 2nd season whose team's opponents scored 3% better when he was on the court. You have no comment on this and how it affects drafting a possible 4 with defensive upside in Sarr? Okay.
    I'm with you on the Sochan criticism, but despite some typically incorrect listings, Sarr is not a 4.

    It doesn't matter how physically weak or poor a defensive rebounder he is, his shot is theoretical and his handle is good for a big (not a big wing, which is what the 4 now is).

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    Not according to Pop or the players.

    Sochan "developed" into a 12pt scorer in his 2nd season whose team's opponents scored 3% better when he was on the court. You have no comment on this and how it affects drafting a possible 4 with defensive upside in Sarr? Okay.
    Sochan's stas are almost identical from year 1 to year 2 so little to no improvement

    His scoring increased by .6 from 11.0 to 11.6 with an increase of 3.6 minutes per game so really his scoring decreased in year two.

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    If we can somehow land Sarr then picking up Dillingham would be a no brainer. Dillingham, Vassel, Keldon, Sarr, Wemby.

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    No, Smith is a PF/small ball C. Forget the foolish listing (I don't know why this continues to happen in this sport).




    I'm with you on the Sochan criticism, but despite some typically incorrect listings, Sarr is not a 4.

    It doesn't matter how physically weak or poor a defensive rebounder he is, his shot is theoretical and his handle is good for a big (not a big wing, which is what the 4 now is).
    Yeah, his natural position appears to be a 5. Just theorycrafting if we did draft him, he'd have to slide to the 4 or lose a lot of minutes. Wemby should average 32+ next season, I don't see him being a purely back up to Wemby (or at least, agreeing to it whole-heartedly if the Spurs discuss it with him). Unlike Sochan, there's plenty of teams looking to pick Sarr up and make him a large part of the rotation. He's not who I'd want, just to be clear -- I'll go with Risacher who fits this team like a glove on paper.

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    Sochan's stas are almost identical from year 1 to year 2 so little to no improvement

    His scoring increased by .6 from 11.0 to 11.6 with an increase of 3.6 minutes per game so really his scoring decreased in year two.
    To be fair, his usage rate went from 19.8% to 18.8%.

    Yeah, his natural position appears to be a 5. Just theorycrafting if we did draft him, he'd have to slide to the 4 or lose a lot of minutes. Wemby should average 32+ next season, I don't see him being a purely back up to Wemby (or at least, agreeing to it whole-heartedly if the Spurs discuss it with him). Unlike Sochan, there's plenty of teams looking to pick Sarr up and make him a large part of the rotation. He's not who I'd want, just to be clear -- I'll go with Risacher who fits this team like a glove on paper.
    I'd still consider him more so the 5 because he'd probably be utilized mostly as a rim runner/in the dunker spot and as the primary defender on overpowering 5's.

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    Sochan's stas are almost identical from year 1 to year 2 so little to no improvement

    His scoring increased by .6 from 11.0 to 11.6 with an increase of 3.6 minutes per game so really his scoring decreased in year two.
    Damn, so he basically didn't develop at all. IMHO, he's just not a good fit with Wemby. Unfortunately, Sarr would likely have similar troubles - I just think Sarr has enough upside both defensively to outweigh some of his shooting woes and on his shot mechanics to actually become passable as a shooter.

    He shot 50% in the mid-range (admittedly on limited attempts, 1/2 per), but it's worth at least noting. Sochan has essentially no mid-range game at all as of last season.

    There's every reason to believe he can improve his shooting. Sochan did, and they're approximately the same though obviously the leagues are different.

    I dunno why this is even that controversial, though. If we draft Sarr, we're not getting Risacher. Sochan can move to the 3 and still start and get big minutes, guard the opposing best player, et cetera. I really don't get how people think this is somehow ting on Sochan.

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    Sochan at the 3 with Sarr are the 4 would be absurd and completely out of touch with the modern NBA.

    This team needs significantly more shooting and play making, not less.

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    Sochan at the 3 with Sarr are the 4 would be absurd and completely out of touch with the modern NBA.

    This team needs significantly more shooting and play making, not less.
    if we take Sarr and he becomes a good enough shooter to stick at the 4, sochan becomes a versatile bench player

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    if we take Sarr and he becomes a good enough shooter to stick at the 4, sochan becomes a versatile bench player
    This

    Sochan goes to the bench with a Sarr addition

    Spurs are still not finished yet with the team build and will need to find a high volume scoring SF. In next year's draft they add this player.

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    if we take Sarr and he becomes a good enough shooter to stick at the 4, sochan becomes a versatile bench player
    If we take Sarr then Sochan gets moved in a trade. I gotta say though, I've never been high on Sochan. I've advocated moving him to indy for Jarace Walker last draft, but some of the takes about the guy are ridiculous. He's not so good that you avoid drafting someone who plays his position, but he's not trash you try and dump either.

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    I'd pick Sarr if he's there at #4, but I would most definitely not start him right away.
    Wemby will probably play 30-32mpg, Sarr as his backup would guarantee 48mpg of elite rim protection and they could share the floor for 8-10 minutes.
    Two of Wemby-Sochan-Sarr always on the floor, but never all three together.

    Move Sarr to the starting lineup when he develops his shot.
    If he doesn't, but is too good to be a backup big, trade him and get a better fit.
    Kind of Fox-Haliburton situation.

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    if we take Sarr and he becomes a good enough shooter to stick at the 4, sochan becomes a versatile bench player
    This is all moot because I don't see it for a second, but: Sochan gets traded and whoever the third big in his stead is, it has to be a "laser" like stretch four.

    Play the Eiffel Towers together for approximately the first 6 minutes of each half, then alternate them as the sole big, with Wembanyama the only one guaranteed to close.

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    Not according to Pop or the players.

    Sochan "developed" into a 12pt scorer in his 2nd season whose team's opponents scored 3% better when he was on the court. You have no comment on this and how it affects drafting a possible 4 with defensive upside in Sarr? Okay.
    i am for drafting sarr, but i don't have to comment on sochan's season to do that. Sochan is number 3 in the franchise, and he's the most versatile defensively. He'll find a spot in the starting lineup no matter who we draft.

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