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    I still like Carter. Sure, theres risk and all of what OP said is true, but theres something for a turbo charged defender that just sits right with me especially because his shot goes in decently if he gets it off.
    as bad as the spurs defense was last year, in the aggregate they were fine as long as wemby was on the floor. its the offense that was bad with or without him... a significant amount of which is attributable to poor outside shooting (in addition to being turnover prone).

    if you really wanted to improve the spurs defense, its by improving the bench, namely a better rim protector than Zollins, and replacing Branhan/Keldon... and whatever it is we were doing at backup PF last year (osman?).

    i think its so much more important to give the offense a jolt than the defense, which is why i just havent been as enthused by castle/carter as most here are.

    as far as carter's shot, im glad he's improved it, but the slow/low release could be problematic in the league

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    as bad as the spurs defense was last year, in the aggregate they were fine as long as wemby was on the floor. its the offense that was bad with or without him... a significant amount of which is attributable to poor outside shooting (in addition to being turnover prone).

    if you really wanted to improve the spurs defense, its by improving the bench, namely a better rim protector than Zollins, and replacing Branhan/Keldon... and whatever it is we were doing at backup PF last year (osman?).

    i think its so much more important to give the offense a jolt than the defense, which is why i just havent been as enthused by castle/carter as most here are.

    as far as carter's shot, im glad he's improved it, but the slow/low release could be problematic in the league
    For sure - I get it.

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    4 Salaun
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    That really your preference? I can see it happening just as much as any other scenario I guess.

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    That really your preference? I can see it happening just as much as any other scenario I guess.
    Not really. I’d just really like to see underdogs like Salaun break through expectations and surprise people. That would be more fun than anything. Not that I expect it all to happen, but it would be nice to see people humbled with their “expert analysis” just as it would be fun for people to poke at me when I’m wrong.

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    Not really. I’d just really like to see underdogs like Salaun break through expectations and surprise people. That would be more fun than anything. Not that I expect it all to happen, but it would be nice to see people humbled with their “expert analysis” just as it would be fun for people to poke at me when I’m wrong.
    lol - definitely high potential for a chaos draft

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    Salaun at 4 is a bigger reach than Primo. That’s a hard pass for me.

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    Salaun at 4 is a bigger reach than Primo. That’s a hard pass for me.
    That would be really dumb.

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    SR21 - that meme game is on point

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    I don't get the size concerns with this guy. Everybody is raving about Castle and reports are that Carter totally muerdered him on one-on-one workouts. Even in the UCCON-Providence game Carter was having his way with Castle on both sides of the ball despite the desparity in talent between teams.

    Everyone knows the Imperial system sucks ass (lol not using the metric system in 2024) but nobody can tell me with a straight face Carter is the same height as Dillingham, tbh.

    Carter is long, strong and athletic enough to be a plus defender in the NBA. Actually, I expect him to be just as good if not better at that end than Castle. He's, by a distance, the much better playmaker on that side of the ball. Add to that that he's also more athletic and can actually shoot the ball, and I much prefer to take Carter at 8, than Castle at 4, tbh.

    People that want Castle, are asking to draft him in hopes that he becomes the shooter Carter is today. Food for thought, tbh.

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    I don't get the size concerns with this guy. Everybody is raving about Castle and reports are that Carter totally muerdered him on one-on-one workouts.
    Where the did you hear this.

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    True. But my point was that if our goal is to build for the future rather than to win now, we would be better off drafting Castle and a 19-year old wing than Castle and Carter.
    This is where Salaun at 8 has value imo. Draft and stash.

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    Where the did you hear this.
    Have you been reading ST or Twitter?

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    Have you been reading ST or Twitter?
    Where the did you hear it?

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    Are there reports that Carter bested Castle in the SA workouts 1v1?

    My understanding was Carter exceeded expectations and "killed the workout" which may imply he outplayed Castle but not to my knowledge was that ever said directly

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    Are there reports that Carter bested Castle in the SA workouts 1v1?

    My understanding was Carter exceeded expectations and "killed the workout" which may imply he outplayed Castle but not to my knowledge was that ever said directly
    It wasn't.

    Timvp's report said he had a great workout. It says no one will say anything about Castle.

    DAF: "This means Carter killed Castle in workouts."

    Regular people: "The Spurs never talk about the players they really want."

    Also regular people: These two players already played each other twice in games.

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    I haven’t heard anything regarding Castle and Carter’s workout. Carter’s also 3 years older so I’d expect him to get the best of Castle at least a few times tbh.

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    Are there reports that Carter bested Castle in the SA workouts 1v1?

    My understanding was Carter exceeded expectations and "killed the workout" which may imply he outplayed Castle but not to my knowledge was that ever said directly
    I took it as they worked out against each other, but after trying to find the comments about Carter "murdering" Castle in workouts, as Mr. Body asked, and re-reading some I realized that maybe I got it mixed up and folks were just saying that Carter just did much better than Castle, but didn't actually go one-on-one.

    My point still remains, though. Anyone that watches the UCCON-Providence game would tell you that Carter is closer in size to a Stephon Castle than a Rob Dillingham, tbh.
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    I'm prepping myself for some weird outcomes. Walking out with Carter and Salaun is definitely one of them. I've imagined Carter at 4 and Salaun at 8. This wouldn't shock me. I definitely like better scenarios, but whatever, I'm pretty high on Carter and Salaun's a maniac so I could roll with it. This draft is going to be wild. Can't wait!

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    It wasn't.

    Timvp's report said he had a great workout. It says no one will say anything about Castle.

    DAF: "This means Carter killed Castle in workouts."

    Regular people: "The Spurs never talk about the players they really want."

    Also regular people: These two players already played each other twice in games.
    Does that mean the Spurs don't really want Castle, since he's the most mocked player going to them?

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    It wasn't.

    Timvp's report said he had a great workout. It says no one will say anything about Castle.

    DAF: "This means Carter killed Castle in workouts."

    Regular people: "The Spurs never talk about the players they really want."

    Also regular people: These two players already played each other twice in games.
    Who are these regular people you speak of? I didn't think they existed anymore.

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    as bad as the spurs defense was last year, in the aggregate they were fine as long as wemby was on the floor. its the offense that was bad with or without him... a significant amount of which is attributable to poor outside shooting (in addition to being turnover prone).

    if you really wanted to improve the spurs defense, its by improving the bench, namely a better rim protector than Zollins, and replacing Branhan/Keldon... and whatever it is we were doing at backup PF last year (osman?).

    i think its so much more important to give the offense a jolt than the defense, which is why i just havent been as enthused by castle/carter as most here are.

    as far as carter's shot, im glad he's improved it, but the slow/low release could be problematic in the league
    I don't think "we're historically awful on defense except when Wemby is on the floor" is a favored recipe for winning LOBs.

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    I took it as they worked out against each other, but after trying to find the comments about Carter "murdering" Castle in workouts, as Mr. Body asked, and reading some I realized that maybe I got it mixed up and folks were just saying that Carter just did much better than Castle, but didn't actually went one-on-one.

    My point still remains, though. Anyone that watches the UCCON-Providence game would tell you that Carter is closer in size to a Stephon Castle than a Rob Dillingham, tbh.
    all good thanks for clarifying :

    Yeah it's vague semantics really, I see what you mean.

    I heard Carter "killed the [SA] workout" but the SA workout was 1v1 against Castle. So if Carter killed it, it must mean he did so by besting Castle at least somewhat, right? Or maybe he just showed good attributes while not necessarily dunking all over Castle at the same time?

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