2024 NBA Draft Thread

[mo7888]

Lmao at Atl fans thinking they get 4 + 25 & 27 lololololol

Yup.. the only way those picks even come into the conversation is in a much larger bombs type trade...

[Mr. Body]

This is completely unrealistic. I (and probably most of us) don't buy that the Spurs would do the '25 1st unprotected, never mind adding '27.

I started the convo (sort of) with saying the Charlotte and Chicago picks could be on the board.

I still mean it. Givony is the one who keeps insisting the Spurs should trade Atlanta's picks back to them. He's been so charged about this that I wonder if he's getting paid.

But if you can give the Hawks some draft capital, you're giving them something for the barren years when we control their picks. The fan base has something to look forward to. They don't look cheated for moving down. They still get one of Clingan or Risacher... actually, scratch that. I just realized that we'd take Sarr, then Wiz and Houston may take those guys to keep or trade.

Anyway, there's probably a chance the Spurs deal them picks back, and maybe we should prepare ourselves, but it seems very doubtful.

[scott]

Based on the dynamics of this draft, ATL will only be able to get what will be perceived as subpar value for #1. This is almost assured.

The only thing worse from ATL's perspective than getting subpar value will be getting subpar value in another trade with the Spurs. If I'm in ATL's FO I'd avoid dealing with the Spurs on this matter for that reason alone. I am hard on our FO at times, but I believe that they are better enough to do a dumb deal with ATL. I'd do 4+CHA and that's it to move up to #1 in this draft. Call ATL's bluff.

[The Truth #6]

A goofy little thought experiment. I'm trying to imagine Castle versus Dillingham in the playoffs. Let's say Castle can't shoot at all. Let's say Dillingham is a horrible defender. As far as who could stay on the court and be less of a liability... I sort of feel like not shooting is worse than poor defense. I think Dillingham probably is getting very much looked over, especially for the Spurs.

[TD 21]

I started the convo (sort of) with saying the Charlotte and Chicago picks could be on the board.

I still mean it. Givony is the one who keeps insisting the Spurs should trade Atlanta's picks back to them. He's been so charged about this that I wonder if he's getting paid.

But if you can give the Hawks some draft capital, you're giving them something for the barren years when we control their picks. The fan base has something to look forward to. They don't look cheated for moving down. They still get one of Clingan or Risacher... actually, scratch that. I just realized that we'd take Sarr, then Wiz and Houston may take those guys to keep or trade.

Anyway, there's probably a chance the Spurs deal them picks back, and maybe we should prepare ourselves, but it seems very doubtful.

Nah, unfortunately I think Givony is spot on that only the Hawks pick(s) (and obviously 4) will do, for obvious reasons.

Now one of the so-called Hawks insiders claims the sense he's gotten is Murray + for Ingram + is all but done, but they're waiting to see if they land Clingan in a trade at 4 to determine which of Capela or Okongwu would be included.

If that's true, then the 1 for 4 probably only happens with some form of protection on the '25 Hawks 1st. I would think Carter would be the pick at 8 in this scenario, but again I don't see it happening.

[LeBowen]

A goofy little thought experiment. I'm trying to imagine Castle versus Dillingham in the playoffs. Let's say Castle can't shoot at all. Let's say Dillingham is a horrible defender. As far as who could stay on the court and be less of a liability... I sort of feel like not shooting is worse than poor defense. I think Dillingham probably is getting very much looked over, especially for the Spurs.

It all depends on the rest of the lineup and the matchup.

Do we have Castle+3shooters+Wemby? Can Castle actually be a point guard and get to the rim?
Then we're probably fine.

Can they exploit Dillingham's defense? As in playing him against a team with players who can't create for themselves should be fine.
What's the lineup around him? If we could get something like Danny-Juice-young nephew perimeter defense trio, having one bad defender wouldn't be such a big issue.
It all comes down to Dillingham's ceiling. If he can get 22/8 on any given night, he'd be fine. But we wouldn't sacrifice defense for a 15ppg scorer.

[Mr. Body]

Nah, unfortunately I think Givony is spot on that only the Hawks pick(s) (and obviously 4) will do, for obvious reasons.

Now one of the so-called Hawks insiders claims the sense he's gotten is Murray + for Ingram + is all but done, but they're waiting to see if they land Clingan in a trade at 4 to determine which of Capela or Okongwu would be included.

If that's true, then the 1 for 4 probably only happens with some form of protection on the '25 Hawks 1st. I would think Carter would be the pick at 8 in this scenario, but again I don't see it happening.

I don't think there's any universe where trading up from 4 to 1 in this draft would cost Atlanta's own unprotected picks back to them, and I have no idea how you came to this thought. If that's what Atlanta is asking, then the trade simply won't happen. They may be fine with this, but what it means, clearly, is that this isn't the cost of the transaction.

[TD 21]

I don't think there's any universe where trading up from 4 to 1 in this draft would cost Atlanta's own unprotected picks back to them, and I have no idea how you came to this thought. If that's what Atlanta is asking, then the trade simply won't happen. They may be fine with this, but what it means, clearly, is that this isn't the cost of the transaction.

That's not at all what I said.

I knew I shouldn't have bothered conversing with you . . . it won't happen again.

[Mr. Body]

That's not at all what I said.

I knew I shouldn't have bothered conversing with you . . . it won't happen again.

"Nah, unfortunately I think Givony is spot on that only the Hawks pick(s) (and obviously 4) will do, for obvious reasons."

That's what you said.

[scott]

It appears TD 21 is stating that from the Hawks POV, they only for a 4 for 1 swap if they are getting 1 (or more) of their picks back. It makes sense that would be ATL's asking price, but it is not realistic value and the deal simply doesn't consummate at that price.

If that's what Atlanta is truly asking for, then they're essentially eliminating themselves from doing a deal before a deal can even be negotiated (I'm assuming here that Wright, Pop and RC haven't lost their goddamn minds).

[Mr. Body]

It appears TD 21 is stating that from the Hawks POV, they only for a 4 for 1 swap if they are getting 1 (or more) of their picks back. It makes sense that would be ATL's asking price, but it is not realistic value and the deal simply doesn't consummate at that price.

I mean, maybe we're not disagreeing, I'm just saying that that's not going to get it done. Atlanta and Givony can ask for whatever they want.

[Mr. Body]

New rumors that they might take Buzelis. Lol, they're so desperate to move down. Trying to get Detroit's attention now.

[scott]

They should threaten to draft Wemby, just for fun.

[TD 21]

It appears TD 21 is stating that from the Hawks POV, they only for a 4 for 1 swap if they are getting 1 (or more) of their picks back. It makes sense that would be ATL's asking price, but it is not realistic value and the deal simply doesn't consummate at that price.

If that's what Atlanta is truly asking for, then they're essentially eliminating themselves from doing a deal before a deal can even be negotiated (I'm assuming here that Wright, Pop and RC haven't lost their goddamn minds).

It appears you're one of the few with both reading comprehension and no agenda.

Maybe the Spurs have some flexibility with protection on the '25 1st, but if Murray is going to be out of the picture, I doubt there's enough incentive (if there ever was; this is just my opinion) to consummate a trade.

[heyheymymy]

Wow Hawks fans ATLOL #4 + 2025 + 2027 for #1?

BWright should just reply back, best I can do is a future second and some tacos with a big red

[objective]

the thing with castle is he isnt just a poor/mediocre shooter. he's a non-shooter. his shooting numbers are worse than sochan and wesley's college shooting numbers

On top of that, he had the best spacing for shooting even when he wasn't being avoided on purpose.

He might be the one guy who will have worse spacing in the NBA than in college because of how exceptional UConn was

[BackHome]

I am not doing any thing to help the Hawks get better as I want all 3 of there picks!!!!!!!

[scott]

It appears you're one of the few with both reading comprehension and no agenda.

Maybe the Spurs have some flexibility with protection on the '25 1st, but if Murray is going to be out of the picture, I doubt there's enough incentive (if there ever was; this is just my opinion) to consummate a trade.

It feels like ATL just really likes Clingan but someone in their FO is convinced that they can milk a little more out of #1 and still get their guy. So much has been thrown against the wall at this point though, that it just gives the sense that Atlanta is desperate. At this point, the Hawks are definitely on the shortest end of the leverage stick. If I'm WAS or SA (not sure who else would be a threat to move up to #1) - I'd put a hard line at an SRP and tell them to take it or leave it. I feel pretty confident that WAS would be content with Castle if ATL took Sarr, and SA would be content with whomever falls to 4.

Wright made a comment today to Michael C Wright that they were placing a lot of calls at the trade deadline last year, but nothing really materialized and that people shouldn't confuse process with outcomes. This leads me to believe Wright maintains an aggressive approach to all of this, but not so aggressive that he's going to make bad deals. I would broadly give him and the FO very high marks when it comes to trades since Wright took over... so if there is anywhere I'm confident in the FO, it is in that regard (drafting and FAs, I'm less optimistic on in regard to this FO).

Lastly, I try to not have an agenda - not that it would make any difference if I did have one. Wright and Pop aren't looking to this forum for anyone's deep insight, so it makes sense for all of us to try and stay as objective and level headed as possible!

[scott]

the thing with castle is he isnt just a poor/mediocre shooter. he's a non-shooter. his shooting numbers are worse than sochan and wesley's college shooting numbers

I'm a member of the DillyGang, but I am a little concerned about his finishing at the rim based on this graphic. We already have one Blake Wesley.

[Biggems]

Wow Hawks fans ATLOL #4 + 2025 + 2027 for #1?

BWright should just reply back, best I can do is a future second and some tacos with a big red

barbacoa from Rios?

[spurraider21]

I'm a member of the DillyGang, but I am a little concerned about his finishing at the rim based on this graphic. We already have one Blake Wesley.

the problem with wesley is that he sucks from everywhere

[scott]

If Atl really wants Clingan, and has some kind of aversion to taking him at 1, then can just give us DJM for #4 straight up, and deal #1 somewhere else

[heyheymymy]

barbacoa from Rios?

that's giving up too much imo

lightly protected momma Margies instead?

[scott]

In truth, Atlanta should just take Clingan at 1 and stfu already

[heyheymymy]

New rumors that they might take Buzelis. Lol, they're so desperate to move down. Trying to get Detroit's attention now.

lol the Hawks revolving door of holding hostage everyone else's presumed targets. First it was Risacher, then Clingan now Buze lol