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    Bold of you to assume he'll be a starter.
    Bad draft or not, he's the 4th overall pick, and the only in bents in his way are Tre and Julian. Let him get his reps.

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    Probably dumb to assume he’s not going to be a starter. What do we have to lose, without having any playoff expectations?

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    Since most of you are already jumping off the cliff, I'm gonna add a little fuel to your fires...

    Castle, Vassell, DeRozan, Sochan, Wemby

    Have a nice day!

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    Since most of you are already jumping off the cliff, I'm gonna add a little fuel to your fires...

    Castle, Vassell, DeRozan, Sochan, Wemby

    Have a nice day!
    I would take DDR for a year or so. He'd provide the offense with more structure and wouldn't need to be around forever.

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    He fell of big time in calendar year 2024 as his volume increased though, which is the concern for me. I actually think he's given way too much credit for his shot improving last year, his overall % is really inflated by two good months, the best of which was really low volume.

    Sochan 3P shooting by month last season:

    Month Games Attempts/Game 3P%
    Oct 4 2.0 25.0%
    Nov 14 2.1 46.7%
    Dec 14 2.9 32.5%
    Jan 16 3.5 37.5%
    Feb 12 3.0 19.4%
    Mar 14 4.1 22.8%
    I mean I understand your point and I already conceded I’m not totally excited about the improvement because his jumper still looks broken and unreliable…but improvement is improvement IMO. Even if you want to focus on month-by-month %s instead of overall season averages:

    As a rookie: 1 month shooting >30%, 4 months shooting below 25%
    As a sop re: 3 months shooting >30%, 2 months shooting below 25%

    Not trying to make it seem like he took some massive step, but I do think the improvement is worth calling out. Hopefully he can build upon it and take another step forward next year…but again, I’m personally not super optimistic.

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    Anything that's going to lose us the most games so sure throw Castle in as starter, lots of Sochan too. We're building threw the draft, until we don't like the draft, then we're doing nothing.

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    Before we crwon Castle as a starter let's look at him in summer League. Of course he will probably be playing with all those unknowns that the Spurs added to the roster during the year plus some of the usual bench players who will get a final look before decisions are made about possible trades and free agents.

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    Tre, Devin, Castle, Sochan, Wemby to start the game. Castle, vassel, Johnson, Sochan, Wemby to finish games.

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    I expect Castle to begin the season on the bench getting 15 mpg.
    He will take a while to look good imo.Guards take longer to adjust, and the shooting weakness is do ented…
    In fact, I expect people here to be calling him a bust for at least a year.
    The shot and his shooting confidence are broken and need to be rebuilt from scratch.
    The reality is that his archetype has a high bust potential.
    He does so many other things well that it will be worth the investment IF the shooting works out, but let’s get real, he won’t be a good player for a while.
    Strap in for the ride or get off nowI’m rooting for the kid and will be thrilled if he proves me wrong and take the league by storm anytime before year 4

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    the crybaby bull in every thread is already old.

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    Before we crwon Castle as a starter let's look at him in summer League. Of course he will probably be playing with all those unknowns that the Spurs added to the roster during the year plus some of the usual bench players who will get a final look before decisions are made about possible trades and free agents.
    Having to play with the Spurs' SL crowd of nobodies after playing at UConn may make him quit basketball.

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    Before we crwon Castle as a starter let's look at him in summer League. Of course he will probably be playing with all those unknowns that the Spurs added to the roster during the year plus some of the usual bench players who will get a final look before decisions are made about possible trades and free agents.
    Summer League doesn't mean , even Wemby had a bad game in SL.

    Castle will be the starting point guard on the opening night, not even up for debate, imo.

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    Yeah, I think he's gonna start. Maybe I'm too bullish, but I think people are severely underrating how good he is.

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    Yeah, I think he's gonna start. Maybe I'm too bullish, but I think people are severely underrating how good he is.
    Not just underrating, but it's obvious PATFO is fully onboard with big point guard plan.

    What I'm interested in is to see if Jeremy and Castle will be starting together. That would be just horrible for spacing.
    Hopefully we can upgrade Keldon and move Jeremy into that sixth man role.

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    Not just underrating, but it's obvious PATFO is fully onboard with big point guard plan.

    What I'm interested in is to see if Jeremy and Castle will be starting together. That would be just horrible for spacing.
    Hopefully we can upgrade Keldon and move Jeremy into that sixth man role.
    Agreed, my only question is fit, not ability.

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    My personal uneducated opinion is that the front office already see Castle is part of their core, they scouted him extensively, they love him and it's all set. So really they're just looking for a small forward to replace champagne. I don't know for sure but I kind of believe that's how they look at it. They like their young players.

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    Tre is an obvious backup tbh. So Castle, Vassell, Wemby, Sochan, and Keldon (until we have better)
    Unless they sign an upgrade and move Keldon for extra draft capital, then I suspect Champagnie will be the starter at SF. I think Julian is better suited in a complimentary, back up role but the Spurs need a player with his size and shooting ability in the SL.

    I suspect the starting line up will be Castle - Vassell - Champagnie - Sochan - Wembanyama from day one.
    Last edited by J_Paco; 06-28-2024 at 12:49 PM.

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    imagine "tanking" all year to get a sixth or possibly even seventh man off the bench (Keldon would be 6th). This opinion is based on the current roster. Better NOT be true, he better be starting and we're going to deal with the fallout of picking a guy who can't shoot. That simple, or the Spurs are simply trash idiots who don't know what they're doing when they traded away a top3, possibly top1 shooter in the draft.

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    I'd guess he runs point at summer league but the team won't make a decision on his position until training camp.

    The main issue is that if you want him to start, he needs to play point because there is no world in which a lineup that features Sochan, Castle, and Jones will play together.

    If Spurs intend to start Castle at wing, we will sign a starting quality floor spacing point over the summer.

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    Castle-Vassell-Champagnie-Sochan-Wemby sounds right.

    Champ still suffers from confidence or "I shouldn't be doing anything" issues. When he lets fly, he can be effective. Not a starter, but he can soak up the minutes for now.

    Wouldn't be surprised to see Branham there, though, depending on if he makes another step this summer.

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    if castle starts at point, i still think shampenny should start. he is a better and more willing shooter than KJ, and i guess the bench could still use a primary scorer in keldon. hopefully we can further upgrade at that spot during FA

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    We could wait to see what the roster looks like. Of course, what fun would that be?
    IDK the Dillingham trade seems more like them loading up to make a trade in a year or two as opposed to now. Probably have no interest in trading for Dejounte or Young now with Castle in hand and short of Booker becoming available after a Durant trade to Houston I don't see any good reason to make a big trade now where they'd have to give up at least one of the 2025 picks.

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    The spurs started Sochan last year without any experience and it was pretty much a disaster. Castle at least has some experience at the position in high school and at UCONN. Lets see what he does in summer league before we pronounce him Sochan 2.0 .

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    Castle-Vassell-Champagnie-Sochan-Wemby sounds right.

    Champ still suffers from confidence or "I shouldn't be doing anything" issues. When he lets fly, he can be effective. Not a starter, but he can soak up the minutes for now.

    Wouldn't be surprised to see Branham there, though, depending on if he makes another step this summer.
    I have way more confidence in Blake continuing his improvement as a secondary playmaker/ball handler (needs to get that shooting right, first and foremost) over Malachi magically becoming competent on defense and not a 'black hole' on offense.

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    The spurs started Sochan last year without any experience and it was pretty much a disaster. Castle at least has some experience at the position in high school and at UCONN. Lets see what he does in summer league before we pronounce him Sochan 2.0 .
    Right, he at the very least can share ball handling and playmaking duties with Devin, plus he's an actual guard/wing that understands how to play/set up teammates in a complex Motion offense.

    Sochan was a disaster mostly cause he has/had no business being the offensive initiator or primary ball handler of a NBA team.

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