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    I don't think some 2nds turn Zach Collins (negative contract) into Brook Lopez (positive, albeit not hugely). But if Spurs could pull something like that, then you take it and run.
    I don't think Collins is a negative contract in general. I think he's a horrible fit on the Spurs. He was mistakenly cast first as a combo-big and then as a stretch-big. It seems like he's really a single-big who can do some stretch things sometimes. That's a bad fit on the Spurs -- and if we're honest it's not a much better fit on the Bucks -- but I don't think his contract is that bad in general. Like I think he'd be great with the Knicks. If they still need help making the Bridges trade apron-legal and want to do that via a Randle trade, the Spurs could step in there.

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    I'd take Firstborn over Zhaquille Collins any day of the in' week. Throwing in a second to make it work would not even register as a blip on my radar if I were in the FO. One guy was an absolute bricklayer competing with Wemby for FGA/g. The other guy is a defensive stalwart who will actually have the IQ to choose his spots and will knock his looks down a higher clip, guaranteed. Would be hard to say about BWright for the rest of this off-season if he can swing something like this.

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    I don't think some 2nds turn Zach Collins (negative contract) into Brook Lopez (positive, albeit not hugely). But if Spurs could pull something like that, then you take it and run.
    2nd apron team, limited on what they can do, Brook is only real center on roster so Collin’s could make sense.
    Trading Brook saves them millions in tax $ & opens other ROSTER options for Bucks, 2-1 trades, tax MLE.

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    Didn't his wife want him to go to LA or retire? It's Jason Kidd all over again
    Kyle Korver, more recently.

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    I don't think Collins is a negative contract in general. I think he's a horrible fit on the Spurs. He was mistakenly cast first as a combo-big and then as a stretch-big. It seems like he's really a single-big who can do some stretch things sometimes. That's a bad fit on the Spurs -- and if we're honest it's not a much better fit on the Bucks -- but I don't think his contract is that bad in general. Like I think he'd be great with the Knicks. If they still need help making the Bridges trade apron-legal and want to do that via a Randle trade, the Spurs could step in there.
    23-24 version of Zach Collins is a disgustingly bad player, there's no way anyone can spin that.
    Forget about his issues on offense, a big with such disgustingly bad defense is never seeing the floor in the playoffs. Never.

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    Yes. Thats why SA is getting a pick with Lopez. Lopez gives Sa one year of an elite defensive 3PT shooting center (Lopez>>>>Collins), nets SA a pick and clears all of Keldons money off books.

    Im not saying that’s my preference; Im pointing out a scenario based on how SA is acting
    Ah, thought you were saying the Spurs would send a pick with Keldon to get Lopez.

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    Celtics handing out huge contracts like crazy and ownership is looking to sell the team so someone else has to pick up the check.

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    Temple still in the league, I still remember when he was on the way to being our next backup PG then he got injured.

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    They are in position to demand a ransom, because someone will pay it; that's how these things work.

    He's not getting to UFA in a true sense. It'll be like Siakam, Anunoby and others, where he'll be traded to a team he's going to re-sign with.

    Obviously debatable whether the Spurs should be that team. I'm with you in saying they shouldn't because if/when they blow their load, it should be on a perimeter player, preferably with size.

    But make no mistake, whenever and for whoever, they're going to feel pain.

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    Dude the already lost Caruso and are about to lose Demar. How much more do you think they can strip down a not very good team?
    Caruso didn’t go out in a dump. There was a credible return. DD puts up numbers,but doesn’t really affect winning. Recall the year we offloaded him in a salary dump. We didn’t miss a beat on the treadmill, having close to the same record with Dejounte running the plays.

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    Spurs should add 3-4 seconds to Zollins if that's what it takes to get Lopez and off this whack Zollins deal.

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    So how much cap space do we have to collect trash contracts for SRPs?

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    I’d like Bobby Portis, idk about Lopez I think he’s pretty much washed at this point.
    Bobby Portis is a ing psycho who broke his team mate’s jaw.

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    Bobby Portis is a ing psycho who broke his team mate’s jaw.
    That he is, but MIL is desperately trying to shed salary. Spurs can just eat the money, while also sending them some youth.

    SAS: Lopez + Portis + ____
    MIL: Collins + Blake

    How much is that blank space worth? Another 2030 FRP swap and 31FRP!?

    (Too soon?)

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    i mean if theyre sending portis too then yeah im all for sending out keldon

    i doubt bucks want to move both

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    Bobby Portis is a ing psycho who broke his team mate’s jaw.
    That would be another way to get rid of Zollins

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    This is why I think THEY need to send us an asset. Zach is a good fall back plan for them on a decentish deal.
    The asset is Lopez contract. It’s a continuation of filling out the roster with expirings to exert pressure on Ainge and show that we can just ing sign Lauri next summer if he continues to be a , and I’m here for it.

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    That he is, but MIL is desperately trying to shed salary. Spurs can just eat the money, while also sending them some youth.

    SAS: Lopez + Portis + ____
    MIL: Collins + Blake

    How much is that blank space worth? Another 2030 FRP swap and 31FRP!?

    (Too soon?)
    Pretty sure they can’t as a 2nd apron team, can only send out a single player at a time (unless a team has cap room/exception to fully absorb-spurs dont), that’s part of the 2nd apron penalty. Can’t do a 2-2, 3-2.
    Could do Lopez for Collin’s to get under that apron, but then would have a find a salary match for Portis which isn’t Wesley

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    Bobby Portis is a ing psycho who broke his team mate’s jaw.
    That was like 10 years ago, move on already

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    Can’t as a 2nd apron team, can only send out a single player at a time, that’s part of the 2nd apron penalty. Can’t do a 2-2, 3-2.
    Could do Lopez for Collin’s to get under that apron, but then would have a find a salary match for Portis which isn’t Wesley
    That, I have no idea. You could well be right with these new rules going into effect now.

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    The asset is Lopez contract. It’s a continuation of filling out the roster with expirings to exert pressure on Ainge and show that we can just ing sign Lauri next summer if he continues to be a , and I’m here for it.
    Why are you all in for Lauri this year? I thought they are going to be better free agents next year does it make sense to sign him or wait for next year free agents?

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    Not sure how to post an image or imbed a tweet, but Bobby Marks has a good post on Twitter.
    one of the rules for 2nd apron is the apron team can’t aggregate ongoing salaries, ie can only send out a single player at a time.
    Personally im really going to enjoy these new rules, I think teams that exceed the cap should be punished harshly- set their franchise back years instead of just money to a billionaire who doesn’t care.
    That’s about to happen. Another good one is teams are over 2nd apron can’t trade their pick 7 yrs out, if over twice in 4 yrs have their 1st rd pick moved to last in the 1st rd (30th pick 6 yrs out).

    This will also give teams that operate under the cap a great shot to get real value for taking on bad contracts.
    In this light, think the Spurs are being very smart. Having cap space can get you a FA, a negative value player/contract + assets, or maybe a really good player that a team simply can’t afford to keep for various tax/penalty reasons.

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